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jamesholzhauer 08-06-2019 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull (Post 2866003)
Hmmm, I think Minimums had it correct?
25.R.7.j - "A reserve may pick-up an RSA or a VDA on a day off".

No mention about opentime on days off and
25.O.11.b and c designates "Applicable time..., the company shall offer Lineholders in premium first come/ first serve" and " Lineholders in Global first come/first serve".

I know that just designates the time, but why would it specifically state " lineholders" and not just " any pilot"?

Sure wouldn't make sense for "Global" to be limited to lineholders? But this is JB or I haven't yet comprehended section 25?:D

That’s what I thought too on initial inspection. But check 3.O.4
Premium Open Time shall pay 150% of a Pilot’s hourly rate. Reserves shall be paid above guarantee.

This probably should be addressed by the company/union.

Climbto450 08-06-2019 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer (Post 2866005)
That’s what I thought too on initial inspection. But check 3.O.4
Premium Open Time shall pay 150% of a Pilot’s hourly rate. Reserves shall be paid above guarantee.

This probably should be addressed by the company/union.

Thank you for beating me to the reply. I didn’t realize that their was any doubt about this. The AIP roadshow Q&A was hounded on this and while ALPA hasn’t stuck to there word on some of the issues they answered during the roadshow they sounded pretty confident on this issue. Make no mistake JB wants to get the most out of us. Good for those who want to work and make money but bad for total bodies on property.

402DRVR 08-08-2019 04:48 AM

To the OP. Here was my reasoning, YMMV. I'm bidding about 35% as a BOS 320 FO. I don't generally do weekends or red eyes and usually then by choice. I get good three and four day trips and live in base, albeit a two hour drive each way so.....

I was pretty gung ho to finally bid left seat 190. I bid it on the last system bid with a 65% qualifier but just missed that. In the end I'm actually relieved about the result.

Given the reduction in force by end of next year on the 190 CA side, the loss of some of the EPS and premium pay for reserves, etc. I have decided to stay in the bus. I have young kids at home. I enjoy the ability to control my schedule, and I like being home weekends and holidays. The difference in pay, once all that extra stuff goes away, in 190 CA and Bus FO, was not enough to entice me to lose those things, considering the realities of a declining fleet. A couple extra days of my choosing at work each month and most of that difference goes away. Not all but most.

That was my reasoning for what its worth. It may prove to be wrong, the 190 may not go away as fast as planned. The next contract might change the pay. But based on what we have now that's what worked for my family and I.

Now if you are senior to me as a bus FO in Boston, disregard all the above and bid any other seat. :).

PotatoChip 08-08-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by 402DRVR (Post 2866903)
To the OP. Here was my reasoning, YMMV. I'm bidding about 35% as a BOS 320 FO. I don't generally do weekends or red eyes and usually then by choice. I get good three and four day trips and live in base, albeit a two hour drive each way so.....

I was pretty gung ho to finally bid left seat 190. I bid it on the last system bid with a 65% qualifier but just missed that. In the end I'm actually relieved about the result.

Given the reduction in force by end of next year on the 190 CA side, the loss of some of the EPS and premium pay for reserves, etc. I have decided to stay in the bus. I have young kids at home. I enjoy the ability to control my schedule, and I like being home weekends and holidays. The difference in pay, once all that extra stuff goes away, in 190 CA and Bus FO, was not enough to entice me to lose those things, considering the realities of a declining fleet. A couple extra days of my choosing at work each month and most of that difference goes away. Not all but most.

That was my reasoning for what its worth. It may prove to be wrong, the 190 may not go away as fast as planned. The next contract might change the pay. But based on what we have now that's what worked for my family and I.

Now if you are senior to me as a bus FO in Boston, disregard all the above and bid any other seat. :).

Great post. If you don’t mind me asking, how long did it take you to achieve 35%? I’m sitting around 90%.

jamesholzhauer 08-08-2019 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2867027)
Great post. If you don’t mind me asking, how long did it take you to achieve 35%? I’m sitting around 90%.

Seniority number 2306 would be at 35% in BOS 320 FO based on current active bidders (not counting the latest awards who are not trained/transferred). That’d be a 8/28/13 hire. Same seniority would be 82.2% in BOs E90 CA.

dingo222 08-08-2019 03:19 PM

35% in Bos would be 20%,or better in jfk. I’m in the low 40s Boston 320 fo, and I’m doing the same math. With the reductions, Bos 190 Ca just doesn’t look as appealing anymore.

jamesholzhauer 08-08-2019 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by dingo222 (Post 2867257)
35% in Bos would be 20%,or better in jfk. I’m in the low 40s Boston 320 fo, and I’m doing the same math. With the reductions, Bos 190 Ca just doesn’t look as appealing anymore.

Sen 2306:
35% BOS 320 FO = 22.5% JFK 320 FO

Sen 2500 (320 FO):
44% BOS, 29% JFK, 34% FLL
Or 88/81% BOS/JFK for 190CA

402DRVR 08-08-2019 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2867027)
Great post. If you don’t mind me asking, how long did it take you to achieve 35%? I’m sitting around 90%.

Yeah I'm hitting 7 year pay this month.

757HI 11-25-2019 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2811818)
Also-

Am I seat locked in the 190 once the A220 comes online? Or is the seat lock waved for the new fleet type.

That’s like going into the gun store and asking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range....:D

Just what ya see pal. :)

but yes, seat lock applies.

the only freebie is you can break an fo seat lock for your first upgrade.

RiddleEagle18 11-25-2019 10:55 AM

E190 CA vs A320 FO
 

Originally Posted by 757HI (Post 2929801)
That’s like going into the gun store and asking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range....:D



Just what ya see pal. :)



but yes, seat lock applies.



the only freebie is you can break an fo seat lock for your first upgrade.



No it doesn’t. New fleet types aren’t seat locked for the first 6 months of revenue service.

So probably just for the first 220 bid, seat locks will be lifted if you bid the 220


Nice necro thread btw.

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