Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 2863518)

So here's another question for someone who might actually understand these numbers. Upgrade on last system bid went to someone with around 2.5yrs of seniority on the 190 at JFK. Seeing the reduction and negative numbers next to all 190 CAs on this published report, are we to assume that upgrade is going to stagnate? Or is the company going to continue to upgrade and keep upgrade times fairly junior? Also, what if something comes up and someone wants to simply bid out of a base in the future? They won't be able to do so for another year once this bid is submitted and closed?

I don't know how other companies do it, but this annual system bid non-sense is one thing I definitely didn't ask for or want in our CBA. I feel like a lot of people are going to end up being screwed over just due to basic mistakes/misunderstanding of the bid with no way to fix it once finalized.

Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 2863518)

So here's another question for someone who might actually understand these numbers. Upgrade on last system bid went to someone with around 2.5yrs of seniority on the 190 at JFK. Seeing the reduction and negative numbers next to all 190 CAs on this published report, are we to assume that upgrade is going to stagnate? Or is the company going to continue to upgrade and keep upgrade times fairly junior? Also, what if something comes up and someone wants to simply bid out of a base in the future? They won't be able to do so for another year once this bid is submitted and closed?

I don't know how other companies do it, but this annual system bid non-sense is one thing I definitely didn't ask for or want in our CBA. I feel like a lot of people are going to end up being screwed over just due to basic mistakes/misunderstanding of the bid with no way to fix it once finalized.

Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2863379)

Somewhere around 23-26, depending on which math you use.

Originally Posted by localizer (Post 2863542)

So why am I seeing -3?

Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 2863617)

IROP Pants?

Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer (Post 2863528)

There will be plenty of people bidding off the 190 to the 320 (and 220), so there will still be movement (imo) despite the reduction. But once it starts getting retired in large numbers, I think your point will be valid. That’s one reason being on a dying fleet isn’t desireable and why I bet upgrade remains quick.

You can still request a base trade on a monthly basis (24.N).

But yeah I agree this annual system bid is not cool. Apparently it only exists because the union insisted on keeping vacation if you have a change in status, so now vacation is bid right after the annual system bid. Forecasting it this far in advance was necessary from the company to get that piece of the CBA. At least that’s the story I heard. Seems like a lose/lose for the company and pilots doing it this way otherwise.

Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer (Post 2863555)

Ignore the vacancies. Look at the target numbers. They increase from 295 to 321 from the bid periods from 1/1 to 12/2. Yes, it shows an initial drop for the 1/1 period, but the last quarterly bid had 282 active pilots with a target of 296 (14 vacancies), some of which went unfilled. There will be plenty of people bidding out of FLL FO each period (and throughout the remainder of 2019), which will open backfill slots, plus the 26 new vacancies from this annual bid. There will be a decent amount of movement in FLL in the next 18 months, imo.