System Bid
09-05-2019, 08:34 AM
#291
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Originally Posted by Whipper33
I believe those numbers only show the junior most bidder who participated in the system bid. So I don’t think we can look at it like a traditional seniority table. For example, all 190 bases have #3900s in them and generally remain more junior than the bus. No major inflows occurred at JFK/BOS 190, but a ~#3700 wanted a change and slid in... (making it appear senior) MCO 190 is desired so several junior folks jumped on the chance, dropping the # to 3900s.
FLL on the bus is just under the one year mark as most individuals got the transfer date of 06/20 with most junior DOH being 7/19. Of course there are still the one or two slots that may go to new-hires. So while less it did get less senior.... I don’t believe it’s the most junior base in the system.
Hope that provides clarity and doesn’t muddy the waters even more.
FLL on the bus is just under the one year mark as most individuals got the transfer date of 06/20 with most junior DOH being 7/19. Of course there are still the one or two slots that may go to new-hires. So while less it did get less senior.... I don’t believe it’s the most junior base in the system.
Hope that provides clarity and doesn’t muddy the waters even more.
Last edited by Bgood; 09-05-2019 at 08:55 AM.
09-05-2019, 08:34 AM
#292
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Originally Posted by goose15
While I agree they will be offered to new hires, the vacancy spots for FLL are not until the 06/01 effective date or later. They most likely won’t offer to new hires until later into 2020 or they could and then send you to JFK/BOS until your transfer date.
All in all, as it was mentioned earlier, FLL is not the most junior base and can be held in less than 1 year.
All in all, as it was mentioned earlier, FLL is not the most junior base and can be held in less than 1 year.
Remember that one class a few years ago was FORCED to go to LGB because no new hires would take the slots. For one new hire class, LGB had the most junior A320 FO's in the system.
Whether that happens with FLL remains to be seen.
09-05-2019, 08:53 AM
#293
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Another thing to note about bases being junior is not just who the bottom guy is, but what the seniority distribution is in that base/seat. I posted some seniorities/longevities and their associated relative base seniorities a few weeks ago I think. At 3,000 (75% in the company and a 3.5 year guy), his percentages are: JFK320:53%, BOS320: 64%, FLL: 62%, LGB: 66%, and MCO320: 95%. At seniority 2,000, or 50% in the company, you'd bid (FO) JFK: 16%, BOS: 21.5%, FLL: 14%, LGB: 32%, MCO: 44%.
At seniority 3500 (1.5 years on property) JFK and FLL are about the same (82/80%), BOS/LGB are about the same at 88%.
Note: those figures are guys who are currently in the seat and reflected in crewtrac. There are more guys in training or awaiting transfers which will change these numbers, as will the whole bid that just came out. This is simply a current snapshot.
Also, those numbers are for active bidders, not mgmt/LOA guys who aren't actively bidding, but the percentages are roughly the same if you include those).
At seniority 3500 (1.5 years on property) JFK and FLL are about the same (82/80%), BOS/LGB are about the same at 88%.
Note: those figures are guys who are currently in the seat and reflected in crewtrac. There are more guys in training or awaiting transfers which will change these numbers, as will the whole bid that just came out. This is simply a current snapshot.
Also, those numbers are for active bidders, not mgmt/LOA guys who aren't actively bidding, but the percentages are roughly the same if you include those).
09-05-2019, 09:20 AM
#294
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It seems like getting FLL lately has been more about luck of class timing than anything else. There are new hires from the 7/24 class who were awarded FLL out of training yet there were folks from the May 8th class who will have waited over a year to get in by the time their transfers take effect due to equipment locks while folks from June classes will be able to transfer by December. It's really a complete crap shoot since nobody knows exactly what bases or equipment will be offered until they show up for class.
09-06-2019, 07:22 AM
#295
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Results for 2020 System Bid. Roughly 4000 pilots total at bid opening
JFK 320 CA #3196
BOS 320 CA #2768
FLL 320 CA #2386
LGB 320 CA #1508
MCO 320 CA #1394
BOS 190 CA #3203
JFK 190 CA #3349
MCO 190 CA #2211
BOS 320 FO #3891
FLL 320 FO #3997
JFK 320 FO #3991
LGB 320 FO #3952
MCO 320 FO #3552
BOS 190 FO #3737
MCO 190 FO #3967
JFK 190 FO #3858
JFK 320 CA #3196
BOS 320 CA #2768
FLL 320 CA #2386
LGB 320 CA #1508
MCO 320 CA #1394
BOS 190 CA #3203
JFK 190 CA #3349
MCO 190 CA #2211
BOS 320 FO #3891
FLL 320 FO #3997
JFK 320 FO #3991
LGB 320 FO #3952
MCO 320 FO #3552
BOS 190 FO #3737
MCO 190 FO #3967
JFK 190 FO #3858
09-06-2019, 07:38 AM
#297
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Originally Posted by Dashbro
Any chance you can turn those numbers in to dates so they’re a little more useful to people?
BOS 320 CA #2768 2/4/15
FLL 320 CA #2386 12/5/13
LGB 320 CA #1508 5/9/07
MCO 320 CA #1394 2/28/07
All the 38xx-39xx have been hired March and later of this year
3500 is 2/7/2018...you can kind of figure the distribution from there. When I get more time I'll maybe fill in the rest, but its backward looking not forward looking, so the time to a base/seat in the future will be different. Especially since A220 will likely be on the next annual bid which could change things. And people will have a better idea of where seniorities will play out on the next bid, as well as reserve/work rules which could change some strategies. That wasn't exactly known when this bid was due.
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