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BlueJetDork 10-11-2019 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2902365)
And legit Vacation

Suck much narrative?

contrails12 10-11-2019 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2902524)
That leaves us near the bottom.

Winning!

We had an enforceable agreements when the company and ALPA executed the dispute LOA a few weeks after certification.

Nice try though!!!

Fair points, but the “centerpiece” as you put it was not RJ scope. It was a rather large increase to to pilot CASM via pay rates, work rules, and benefits increases.

contrails12 10-11-2019 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2902526)
Suck much narrative?

You got me with your eloquent rhetoric and indisputable facts, awe shucks

BlueJetDork 10-11-2019 07:21 PM

Yo legit.

30% and legit

No you swallow narrative.

BlueJetDork 10-11-2019 07:27 PM

Pilot CASM rose by 30%?

Dude, yo, that is just dumb!

Maybe if we flew fewer ASMs. Maybe!!

contrails12 10-11-2019 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2902535)
Yo legit.

30% and legit

No you swallow narrative.

Another remedial math student. There’s plenty that could be better, but you are wrong here. We gained a lot in terms of overall compensation, QOL, VACA, etc. I’d say to the tune of about 30%

BlueJetDork 10-11-2019 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2902543)
Another remedial math student. There’s plenty that could be better, but you are wrong here. We gained a lot in terms of overall compensation, QOL, VACA, etc. I’d say to the tune of about 30%

Oh. “I’d say”.

Next time say: “I guess it might be to the tune of XX”.

Vacation is only 1 week for 1/2 the pilot group .... next year.

CBA Base rates for most is equal to PTOSB plus our old base rate.

To date both of those are a net zero.zero%.

contrails12 10-11-2019 07:50 PM

Since y’all don’t want to show your work here’s mine:

I’m middle seniority and middling longevity.

My pay rate went up from $126 to $156 per hour (20%) Plus the original 401k 13% on the increase (1-2%) plus three percent to 16% 401k contribution, brings us to 25% in cold hard cash. Not to mention the staffing and thus seniority increases for better rigs, reserve rules, vacation allotment. Add the $1/hr VEBA allotment, increases in rates for premium flying, etc. I’d say 30% is not far off.

contrails12 10-11-2019 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2902567)
Oh. “I’d say”.

Next time say: “I guess it might be to the tune of XX”.

Vacation is only 1 week for 1/2 the pilot group .... next year.

CBA Base rates for most is equal to PTOSB plus our old base rate.

To date both of those are a net zero.zero%.


If those same pilots want to monetize their vacation under the new system they can. And they’d come out better than you are trying to let on. Not to mention the relative seniority bump they gain via an increase in vacation allotment and reserve rules. Plus their pay rate bump and their 401k bump, and their VEBA account, and btw the scope and other QOL/job protections that are legally binding and cannot be removed via email as they could be previously

contrails12 10-11-2019 08:12 PM

In summary, we got a 30% pay bump, but we also got pretty darn good scope, although the scope was probably not the centerpiece most voted on. But it was nice to have, kinda like the rather significant pay, retirement, vacation, work rules, and seniority increases.

Finally, the original poster can sleep well knowing that ALPA is in the house as not a bunch of blue babies from bluepilots.com who are running the show in the event of a merger. Not that it will be a deterrent from their incessant whining though


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