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Old 10-30-2019, 02:00 AM
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I have something against anyone who makes mistakes that were well forecasted. Why did it take so long to get ALPA? Why did we have such a huge failure (adoption) rate of such an ineffective "contract" which is only so in name?

Are you denying that this was all under the sphere of control of the pilots? These failures are the result of a group of pilots who are defeatists and apologists to the status quo as dictated to by management.

So yes, I'll be the first to lay blame where it belongs. We must never forget about what could have been done better. I'm sure you'll disagree but your argument will only be based on the presumption that it is futile to demand better (defeatist argument).
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Do you get tired of logging on here and blaming people for you unhappiness?
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Old 10-30-2019, 06:43 AM
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Lol

Do you get tired of logging on here and blaming people for you unhappiness?
Felt, he's really not entirely wrong.

Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group.
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Loud and proud 26% er here. All you 74% d sad joule be ashamed.

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English please?
He only read the bullet points. That’s all he had time for, He had to sound out the big words.
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Loud and proud 26% er here. All you 74% d sad joule be ashamed.
Do all the 26% spell as well as you... if so that explains a lot..
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:18 PM
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Felt, he's really not entirely wrong.

Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group.
Yup. New ADG = New PBS pairing construction = QOL in the pooper.

Industry Leading __________ (insert the multitude of misleads here) and you have the CBA. Because NONE of them are industry standard. Listen, I’m a 74%-er. I f-ed up. Won’t happen again.

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Felt, he's really not entirely wrong.

Many gross errors in strategy and communication from the union. Gross errors in participation and expectations from the group.

For example?
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For example?
Literally everything I've said has happened.


This is especially true of all the mistakes made in the legalese of our substandard "contract". Virtually nothing is enforceable and we are stuck in perpetual arbitration by design. BJ is exploiting every word in the lame contract, precisely as i said they would.


Meanwhile, all the Bozos of the world truly look like Bozo the Clown now. Remember his tin foil conspiracy theories spread to get the contract adopted quickly? Him and the other defeated apologists deceived many.


Read my stuff pre-contract.


Enjoying your profit sharing and industry leading contract yet? Meanwhile, the pilot group has excelled at learning to love substandard bread crumbs and whatever leftovers Johanna drops to the peasants below.


Maybe one day the 78% failure rate will improve when all these naive pilots will realize that being happy go lucky and ignorant is not the way of a corporation. It's a ruthless legal battle, nothing more.

ALPA messed up by retreating from demonstrating at the investor meeting, and they especially messed up by accepting the first contract. I wonder if those ALPA people were simply controlled opposition put in place by Ford and Harrison and BJ. The way they talked, you would think they were on BJ's side.
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Yup. New ADG = New PBS pairing construction = QOL in the pooper.

Industry Leading __________ (insert the multitude of misleads here) and you have the CBA. Because NONE of them are industry standard. Listen, I’m a 74%-er. I f-ed up. Won’t happen again.

-Bubs
I often agree with you, but I don't accept the argument that JB pilots shouldn't have an ADG.

I do think the pilots need more protections against the punitive pairing changes the company put in place post-ADG, but I won't argue the ADG shouldn't be there.
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For example?
My comments are referring to the actions before the TA and up to the point of the vote.

I've certainly written ad nauseum on the subject if you want to read my comments from around that time.

Most critical mistakes include waiting way too long (years) to declare a labor dispute, communicating that negotiations were going well well beyond the point that was true, survey problems, pilots "selling" and defending JB while deep in negotiations that were going very poorly, union playing "nice" with the other side giving the other side the "chance" to do the right thing (negotiate in good faith) which was ***NEVER*** going to happen, agreeing to a substandard TA JUST as/before the tides of leverage and pilot attitudes were turning in the pilots favor, selling a substandard TA and failing to highlight the industry worst (essentially) profit sharing plan at every possible quarterly report (since the CBA went into effect).

Understand that I absolutely want JB to be wildly successful, and I want JB pilots to share appropriately in that success. That is the foundation of all my comments.
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