Q3 Earnings and Attitude
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
I have something against anyone who makes mistakes that were well forecasted. Why did it take so long to get ALPA? Why did we have such a huge failure (adoption) rate of such an ineffective "contract" which is only so in name?
Are you denying that this was all under the sphere of control of the pilots? These failures are the result of a group of pilots who are defeatists and apologists to the status quo as dictated to by management.
So yes, I'll be the first to lay blame where it belongs. We must never forget about what could have been done better. I'm sure you'll disagree but your argument will only be based on the presumption that it is futile to demand better (defeatist argument).
Are you denying that this was all under the sphere of control of the pilots? These failures are the result of a group of pilots who are defeatists and apologists to the status quo as dictated to by management.
So yes, I'll be the first to lay blame where it belongs. We must never forget about what could have been done better. I'm sure you'll disagree but your argument will only be based on the presumption that it is futile to demand better (defeatist argument).
Do you get tired of logging on here and blaming people for you unhappiness?
#16
Industry Leading __________ (insert the multitude of misleads here) and you have the CBA. Because NONE of them are industry standard. Listen, I’m a 74%-er. I f-ed up. Won’t happen again.
-Bubs
#18
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Literally everything I've said has happened.
This is especially true of all the mistakes made in the legalese of our substandard "contract". Virtually nothing is enforceable and we are stuck in perpetual arbitration by design. BJ is exploiting every word in the lame contract, precisely as i said they would.
Meanwhile, all the Bozos of the world truly look like Bozo the Clown now. Remember his tin foil conspiracy theories spread to get the contract adopted quickly? Him and the other defeated apologists deceived many.
Read my stuff pre-contract.
Enjoying your profit sharing and industry leading contract yet? Meanwhile, the pilot group has excelled at learning to love substandard bread crumbs and whatever leftovers Johanna drops to the peasants below.
Maybe one day the 78% failure rate will improve when all these naive pilots will realize that being happy go lucky and ignorant is not the way of a corporation. It's a ruthless legal battle, nothing more.
ALPA messed up by retreating from demonstrating at the investor meeting, and they especially messed up by accepting the first contract. I wonder if those ALPA people were simply controlled opposition put in place by Ford and Harrison and BJ. The way they talked, you would think they were on BJ's side.
This is especially true of all the mistakes made in the legalese of our substandard "contract". Virtually nothing is enforceable and we are stuck in perpetual arbitration by design. BJ is exploiting every word in the lame contract, precisely as i said they would.
Meanwhile, all the Bozos of the world truly look like Bozo the Clown now. Remember his tin foil conspiracy theories spread to get the contract adopted quickly? Him and the other defeated apologists deceived many.
Read my stuff pre-contract.
Enjoying your profit sharing and industry leading contract yet? Meanwhile, the pilot group has excelled at learning to love substandard bread crumbs and whatever leftovers Johanna drops to the peasants below.
Maybe one day the 78% failure rate will improve when all these naive pilots will realize that being happy go lucky and ignorant is not the way of a corporation. It's a ruthless legal battle, nothing more.
ALPA messed up by retreating from demonstrating at the investor meeting, and they especially messed up by accepting the first contract. I wonder if those ALPA people were simply controlled opposition put in place by Ford and Harrison and BJ. The way they talked, you would think they were on BJ's side.
#19
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
I do think the pilots need more protections against the punitive pairing changes the company put in place post-ADG, but I won't argue the ADG shouldn't be there.
#20
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
My comments are referring to the actions before the TA and up to the point of the vote.
I've certainly written ad nauseum on the subject if you want to read my comments from around that time.
Most critical mistakes include waiting way too long (years) to declare a labor dispute, communicating that negotiations were going well well beyond the point that was true, survey problems, pilots "selling" and defending JB while deep in negotiations that were going very poorly, union playing "nice" with the other side giving the other side the "chance" to do the right thing (negotiate in good faith) which was ***NEVER*** going to happen, agreeing to a substandard TA JUST as/before the tides of leverage and pilot attitudes were turning in the pilots favor, selling a substandard TA and failing to highlight the industry worst (essentially) profit sharing plan at every possible quarterly report (since the CBA went into effect).
Understand that I absolutely want JB to be wildly successful, and I want JB pilots to share appropriately in that success. That is the foundation of all my comments.
I've certainly written ad nauseum on the subject if you want to read my comments from around that time.
Most critical mistakes include waiting way too long (years) to declare a labor dispute, communicating that negotiations were going well well beyond the point that was true, survey problems, pilots "selling" and defending JB while deep in negotiations that were going very poorly, union playing "nice" with the other side giving the other side the "chance" to do the right thing (negotiate in good faith) which was ***NEVER*** going to happen, agreeing to a substandard TA JUST as/before the tides of leverage and pilot attitudes were turning in the pilots favor, selling a substandard TA and failing to highlight the industry worst (essentially) profit sharing plan at every possible quarterly report (since the CBA went into effect).
Understand that I absolutely want JB to be wildly successful, and I want JB pilots to share appropriately in that success. That is the foundation of all my comments.
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