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Old 04-01-2020 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
oh yah I think that’s what I meant. I mean basically it’s what you said I just said it in my own way.
Ah! You said over *2* years!

I'm so dumber at public maffs and readings.

You dun good.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Ah! You said over *2* years!

I'm so dumber at public maffs and readings.

You dun good.
I mean basically what I said is... it’s basically kind not really helpful really. forget the 7 am math problems.

68 people. I cannot imagine more than 30 people taking it. I don’t see the benefit in this at all. Save a few pennies? We’ve been steeping over dollars for
years.

also, a COLA? Did I miss the part of when they didn’t fill all the 50 hour incentive lines? Did I miss the memo of why they didn’t fill them all? And now they expect people to go away without being paid? Why are we just copying and pasting what AA did?
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
I mean basically what I said is... it’s basically kind not really helpful really. forget the 7 am math problems.

68 people. I cannot imagine more than 30 people taking it. I don’t see the benefit in this at all. Save a few pennies? We’ve been steeping over dollars for
years.

also, a COLA? Did I miss the part of when they didn’t fill all the 50 hour incentive lines? Did I miss the memo of why they didn’t fill them all? And now they expect people to go away without being paid? Why are we just copying and pasting what AA did?

Read your contract our CBA it's different that AA CBA. What does AA even have to do with us? Knowledge is power. It's called furlough mitigation. They are following the contract.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:24 AM
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JMO, They should have offered it to anyone with 10 or 12 years or more on property with an irrevocable letter of resignation to be paid out for 24 months at 50hrs.

I think they'd have a lot more offers to bounce out.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
I mean basically what I said is... it’s basically kind not really helpful really. forget the 7 am math problems.

68 people. I cannot imagine more than 30 people taking it. I don’t see the benefit in this at all. Save a few pennies? We’ve been steeping over dollars for
years.

also, a COLA? Did I miss the part of when they didn’t fill all the 50 hour incentive lines? Did I miss the memo of why they didn’t fill them all? And now they expect people to go away without being paid? Why are we just copying and pasting what AA did?
They’re doing everything they can to save money. It all adds up. If you have any better ideas, the company is literally asking for your suggestions. So tell them.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Read your contract our CBA it's different that AA CBA. What does AA even have to do with us? Knowledge is power. It's called furlough mitigation. They are following the contract.
What’s a furlough?

Get off your high horse bub. And yes this is identical to what AA offered to their employees. You think 68 people are going to keep you off the street, you’re delusional. So yah. I get it. Follow the CBA. But I think we can get a little more creative when it comes to mitigating furloughs other than offering just over 1% early retirement.

Maybe drop that number to 60 or look at how they can come up with a reasonable % vs and age range.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins
They’re doing everything they can to save money. It all adds up. If you have any better ideas, the company is literally asking for your suggestions. So tell them.
No, it’s not everything they can to save money.
Like posted above, read YOUR CBA. Maybe start paying attention to Section 23.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4
What’s a furlough?

Get off your high horse bub. And yes this is identical to what AA offered to their employees. You think 68 people are going to keep you off the street, you’re delusional. So yah. I get it. Follow the CBA. But I think we can get a little more creative when it comes to mitigating furloughs other than offering just over 1% early retirement.

Maybe drop that number to 60 or look at how they can come up with a reasonable % vs and age range.
They literally employee folks with advanced mathematics degrees. You think they haven’t done the math?
You think they’re gonna pay pilots at the top of the pay scale FIVE YEARS of 50 hour credit lines to do nothing in order to save a few furloughs?? You’re the delusional one.

They are following the CBA. They are going to do what they believe is best for the COMPANY. Not the individual pilots.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
Read your contract our CBA it's different that AA CBA. What does AA even have to do with us? Knowledge is power. It's called furlough mitigation. They are following the contract.
This is all it is plain and simple, it’s the next step in the process; they are holding that Govt $ as leverage until they squeeze the most out of the pilot group, to then say “you know what we don’t want that $ anyway” and bam furlough anyway those bastards!
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Old 04-01-2020 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
No, it’s not everything they can to save money.
Like posted above, read YOUR CBA. Maybe start paying attention to Section 23.
Maybe credit caps to start. Amazing how many VDAS and prem trips went out last month. People crediting over 150 hours while reserves stayed at home.

I wonder why we skipped over that part of whatever section 23 is, and maybe whatever rsv periods means and maybe whatever that part time award thing means.

So yeah they are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies. They are not doing EVERYTHING they can to save money. It also says something about it not being limited to whatever section 23 is.

So maybe stop the individual greed. 0 hours/50 hours/75 hours. Open time is blocked or not blocked but everyone is capped at 75 hours. No VDA no Prem. 35 hours part time lines.

So either our cash flow problem hasn’t been that dire or maybe we all should expect to be on the street.
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