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Old 02-16-2021 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Almost correct. The company has real lawyers WRITING each and every loophole, not looking for them.

Like I said three weeks ago, every word of that TA was written for a specific reason.
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Old 02-16-2021 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
APC, obviously.

it’s easy to be a no voter— no matter the subject— versus a yes voter.

lots of quiet yes voters.

I don’t know they voted 83% for.(10-2) Not exactly close to the end result. Even with their sell job it still failed.

Don’t worry if they are allowed to stay in office they still fully intend to sell our scope.


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Old 02-16-2021 | 11:40 AM
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From the MEC letter:
We will also convene the MEC to discuss procedures for gathering feedback and guidance from our membership, including gathering polling data, on your concerns about the LOA and how to address them..”

No, they should have “convened” prior to today. Those surveys should be written and ready to distribute. They had time to write multiple panicked pleas for votes, when they should have been working on Plan B.

You don’t wait until you’ve gone missed to start looking for a suitable alternate.
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Old 02-16-2021 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
With any luck maybe the whole “alliance” is DOA. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
That's def not gonna happen
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Old 02-16-2021 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
I don’t know they voted 83% for.(10-2) Not exactly close to the end result. Even with their sell job it still failed.

Don’t worry if they are allowed to stay in office they still fully intend to sell our scope.


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I mean, regardless of your feelings, you have to agree that the vote was CLOSE. Just because 54% of the voters were no voters, isn’t cause for an MEC recall.
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Old 02-16-2021 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I mean, regardless of your feelings, you have to agree that the vote was CLOSE. Just because 54% of the voters were no voters, isn’t cause for an MEC recall.
Take a look at how the messaging morphed over the last three weeks. It started out as "we are neutral" and ended up as a full court press begging us to agree with them. My confidence isn't swayed by the vote tally, only by how well I think I'm being represented and presented with factual information. And my confidence has been shaken badly by the tone deaf messaging and the obvious attempts to put their thumb on the scale instead of presenting facts neutrally, pro and con, and allowing the pilots to reach an informed decision on the merits.
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Old 02-16-2021 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
With any luck maybe the whole “alliance” is DOA. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

NEA has been signed by both JetBlue and AA. It’s happening.....

some of this maybe allowed under LOA 12, other pieces will need to be negotiated or grieved.
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Old 02-16-2021 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HulkaBurger
Awesome. Now you guys get to lie in the bed you made while the company gives you the finger.

Well done!!

Yes how dare we not give up parts of our contract.... tsk tsk
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Old 02-16-2021 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
NEA has been signed by both JetBlue and AA. It’s happening.....

some of this maybe allowed under LOA 12, other pieces will need to be negotiated or grieved.
and we will end up with nothing. The company will do what the want and we will be able to say we said “no” and that’s all we will have. Oh but wait the arbitrators will make lots of money from this.. Fun times and lots of LCR in our future.. awesome!!
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Old 02-16-2021 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Dude
Um, yeah. It's a real mark of courage to simply believe what you're told and follow along accordingly.
That's a Bingo.
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