If you listened carefully today, they are basically saying we are going down without this. Robins email yesterday flat out said we can’t continue the cash burn. It’s not sustainable. Also. - Scott mentioned some of the hard things they had to look at in the fall, like getting rid of the 190’s and all the bad things that come with that but JB wanted to grow out of this unlike other airlines that are furloughing and shedding airplanes. Its a smart move. AA is struggling and probably will have more problems. This is a chance to snag slots we otherwise could never get (he said we cant win that bidding war) and increase our flying and dig out of this hole. Take flip side of this is dumping the 190’s early, shrinking our company and furloughing a **** load of us. I’m not thrilled with the language, but try to look at this from this perspective - the company is against the wall. It has a shot of getting out of this in a way that could make us stronger. Or we can say the hell with it and shoot the golden goose.

 

This isn’t over when it’s voted down. Fix the language, protect the pilots from some of the scope gives, and add more value to the pilots. It can be done in a mutually beneficial way and better preserve section 1, while actually adding value to the CBA, unlike the current proposed LOA13.

 

We are not going to shoot the golden goose.... this is plain and simple...If they want it bad enough they will come right back to us with a better deal....

What do you think is going to happen? We vote this down and Robin and crew just throw their hands up in the air and say "well, we tried.. let's closed the doors and shut'er down""

Did you think they would say today that "if the pilots vote this one down we will sweeten the deal for them??"


really??? you guys have got to be smarter than that!!!

 

So in otherwords the same fearmongering that has preceded any scope giveaway.

Obviously the Company wants and needs this. We NO voters would be happy to accommodate them just on better terms.

Let’s START with a pay bump NOW, furlough protection for the next 2 yrs and tighten up the language... the deal is already inked and went through DOT/ DOJ review, by oversight or negligence Mgt have handed our NC quite a bit of leverage which they squandered apparently, with a No vote the membership has placed the leverage back in the hands of the NC with a mandate from us of what is required to get the deal done.

 

We have a CBA FYI. Vote No and keep your CBA and SCOPE. VOTE Yes and give uno your CBA SCOPE for over 10 years or like two more CBA's. They knew our SCOPE they should have built a deal around it.

 

I’d like to think that the NC is prepared with a survey: “what would get you to vote yes?”
On a scale of 1 to 10, how important are the following to you: (etc)

Launch the survey as soon as the votes are in. Then go back and negotiate LOA 14 based on LOA 13 and the secret survey results. Revote. Done in 6 - 8 weeks. Deal is still on, but with protections in place.

If the company doesn’t budge on the Focus City and International scope carve-outs, then we know we were correct in not trusting LOA 13.

 

Hey like I said... let’s make a deal, just not THIS deal.

 

A good question to ask is if JetBlue already signed the agreement with American. The agreement does not have any clause allowing them to cancel because of a labor cba. If they signed already they are on the hook for a massive cancellation fee. In that case, they have no choice but to come back to the pilot group and offer something that will pass.

 

Thank you. This is so true. I vote to
make hyper our nc chairman for this.

 

I think you're right in a lot of ways....which is why they'll renegotiate the LOA with us. Notice at the end of the call the question was posed to leadership "what will you do if the LOA is voted down." They doubled down on the importance of the deal going forward. I didn't get the sense at all they would throw in the towel on the deal with AA...At this point it's the AA Deal or continue to limp along with stunted revenue and added debt.