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Old 02-22-2021, 05:34 AM
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A small vocal minority can be more effective than a less motivated majority.

Don’t allow a small group wanting to recall the MEC to determine our fate. LOA 12 was largely cheered by the group and LoA13 narrowly failed. The MEC isn’t acting recklessly, they’re making tough decisions in challenging times.
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Old 02-22-2021, 06:27 AM
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A small vocal minority can be more effective than a less motivated majority.

Don’t allow a small group wanting to recall the MEC to determine our fate. LOA 12 was largely cheered by the group and LoA13 narrowly failed. The MEC isn’t acting recklessly, they’re making tough decisions in challenging times.

I would agree with this. I have yet to see anyone asking for the MEC/LEC to step down or be recalled, step up and say they are willing to make the sacrifice to be the LEC/MEC/NC members. Only time they are willing to take out of their day is to point fingers at the people doing the job they are unwilling to do.
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Old 02-22-2021, 07:45 AM
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I figure the No vote on LOA 13 (and the shaken confidence in the weeks leading up to it) serves as a good enough wake-up call to the MEC. I don’t think there’s any evidence they have sold out, they were just way out of touch with the pilot group. Chalk it up to the pandemic and all the hush-hush NEA meetings they’ve been attending with nobody but management and each other to discuss their concerns.

It’s possible they began to feel too invested in this NEA deal. It’s also quite likely they know more about NEA than any of us, and they were comfortable with the Scope concessions in LOA 13.

Unfortunately for them, it was impossible to convey the wonderful unicorns and rainbows they felt imagining this deal - when the rest of us could only see the harsh reality of the actual language - which basically sucked.

But that’s what line pilots do every day; mitigate risk. What’s the best possible outcome? 2% raise. Worst possible outcome? Giving management several permanent and career-crippling Scope loopholes. No brainer.

The fact that the MEC at first had no answer to these loopholes, and eventually resorted to just deflecting our concerns with assurances that “these loopholes do exist, but we trust management won’t use them”... just shows they were deeply hypnotized by NEA and just needed to be snapped out of it.
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Old 02-22-2021, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by feltf4 View Post
Are we asking the 46% yes voters to hand in their resignation too?
Im on the fence about this recall however this is more about their responsibility for LOA 12, which u of course didn’t get to vote on. LOA 12 the cause of where we are now with the company doing an end run around what they came hat in hand asking for FURTHER relief. They got dupped.
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Old 02-22-2021, 08:59 AM
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I figure the No vote on LOA 13 (and the shaken confidence in the weeks leading up to it) serves as a good enough wake-up call to the MEC. I don’t think there’s any evidence they have sold out, they were just way out of touch with the pilot group. Chalk it up to the pandemic and all the hush-hush NEA meetings they’ve been attending with nobody but management and each other to discuss their concerns.

It’s possible they began to feel too invested in this NEA deal. It’s also quite likely they know more about NEA than any of us, and they were comfortable with the Scope concessions in LOA 13.

Unfortunately for them, it was impossible to convey the wonderful unicorns and rainbows they felt imagining this deal - when the rest of us could only see the harsh reality of the actual language - which basically sucked.

But that’s what line pilots do every day; mitigate risk. What’s the best possible outcome? 2% raise. Worst possible outcome? Giving management several permanent and career-crippling Scope loopholes. No brainer.

The fact that the MEC at first had no answer to these loopholes, and eventually resorted to just deflecting our concerns with assurances that “these loopholes do exist, but we trust management won’t use them”... just shows they were deeply hypnotized by NEA and just needed to be snapped out of it.
This is where I'm at.
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Old 02-22-2021, 09:08 AM
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This is where I'm at.
same here.
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Old 02-22-2021, 11:45 AM
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Fellow jetBlue ALPA members,
Over the past 10 months, we have seen an alarming number of blatant increase and disregard for our bylaws from our Union leadership. To date, there has been no action against our MEC to hold them accountable for their wrongdoings. Throughout this time, our membership has remained largely silent as the MEC has charted a renegade path.

We have watched our MEC leadership act as non-standard as one can be. We as professional pilots are accustomed to following rules, protocol and standard operating procedures. We should accept nothing less from our MEC to follow our agreed upon rules - known as bylaws.

This past week, the majority of our pilot group spoke LOUD and CLEAR, that we do not approve of the direction our Union leadership. For the first time in our history, the majority of pilots voted AGAINST the charted direction of our MEC.

Their Q&A sessions removed the opportunity to ask live questions, removed the opportunity for a road show, and only answered select questions to enable avoiding the tough questions making an attempt for damage control.

Let us review these

-In July of 2020 our ALPA leadership was informed by management that American Airlines codeshare was being created and would be in direct violation of Scope sections 1.F.7 & 1.F.8. Shockingly, no grievance was filed. Our MEC failed to do their job to protect our CBA to the fullest extent possible while they turned a blind eye keeping this out of discussion.

-In late summer of 2020 management presented our MEC with a proposal for permanent relief to our number 1 section in our CBA giving concessions to Scope. In exchange, would be temporary furlough protection and pay reductions to every pilot, line holder and reserve, of 70 hours - all while the MEC decided to maintain their 90 hours of pay.

This pay reduction, triggered the requirement for membership ratification and majority approval. This didn’t happen, the membership was left out and a handshake deal to create LOA 12 led to a written permanent change to our CBA giving up our most important language.

Discussions among our membership grew to higher levels on our online forums detailing the lack of integrity to follow our agreed upon bylaws.
-LOA 13 asked for MORE Scope relief in exchange for a 2% raise likely post pandemic. Now that the MEC was in the spotlight for negligence of bylaw compliance, they released this for a vote yet exempted polling.

Looking back, our MEC has navigated so far off course, many members have little to no faith they can steer back on course and commit to ending their disregard for our bylaws.

Make no mistake, we have more good news than bad news. And many appreciate their efforts, despite being misguided. Airline industry analysts are in agreement that, behind Southwest, jetBlue is the second best financially positioned airline industry wide. We’ve come a long way since April 14th 2020 when our demand dropped to 1% of our regularly scheduled passengers. We have a vaccine rollout that is ramped up and months away from everyone in America given an opportunity for Covid vaccine choices. Deaths, cases and hospitalizations are trending down nationwide. Many states that embraced the most severe restrictions are loosening up.

Overall, we are trending in the right direction to a solid recovery. With bookings up significantly. There is now no more need to be giving up job protections in the form of Scope.

Ask yourself, can you afford for our current MEC to be making more attempts for concessions to Scope and Compensation while they have a proven track record to not follow bylaws?
Ask yourself, out of more than 4,000 pilots are these 14 the best ones suited who are most closely aligned with desires, vision and direction of the majority of our pilot group?
If you are as alarmed as many are, please stay informed, stay engaged, help bring these bylaw violations to light by asking for a the resignation and supporting a recall to get the best leaders in position as soon as possible before more Scope is permanently given away.

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-In July of 2020 our ALPA leadership was informed by management that American Airlines codeshare was being created and would be in direct violation of Scope sections 1.F.7 & 1.F.8. Shockingly, no grievance was filed. Our MEC failed to do their job to protect our CBA to the fullest extent possible while they turned a blind eye keeping this out of discussion.

We can now file grievances based on intent to violate the contract? Wow that's news to me. The company broke the contract this week and a grievance was filed.

-In late summer of 2020 management presented our MEC with a proposal for permanent relief to our number 1 section in our CBA giving concessions to Scope. In exchange, would be temporary furlough protection and pay reductions to every pilot, line holder and reserve, of 70 hours - all while the MEC decided to maintain their 90 hours of pay.

(a) They did not maintain 90 hours of pay, (b) so we were supposed to do what exactly when COVID was raging.

-LOA 13 asked for MORE Scope relief in exchange for a 2% raise likely post pandemic. Now that the MEC was in the spotlight for negligence of bylaw compliance, they released this for a vote yet exempted polling

(a) Where in the Policy does it require the MEC to poll before sending an LOA to pilot vote? Cite specifically please.

Yet another keyboard warrior that will not step up, put his name forward, and do the work. Instead sits back and has half his facts together. I voted NO and absolutely do not support this juvenile attempt to recall.
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Old 02-22-2021, 04:02 PM
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I’m not sure we need a little civil war right now. It would be one thing if this vote was like 80/20 but it was pretty darn close.
I think there are definitely questions that need to be answered or issues addressed but I don’t see how this helps the pilot group.
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Old 02-22-2021, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
This is where I'm at.
^This^ Is how I’m thinking of it as well
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:36 AM
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This is a horrible idea.

It was a 54-46 no vote. it wasn’t a blow out either way, as you suggested it would be. Perhaps you are the one out of touch with this pilot group......
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