I think TCA/TFO is transition CA/FO (ie same seat new plane). UCA is upgrade CA (from right seat same plane). NHFO is correct and then there are also NHFI, which are newhire flight instructors (non seniority list), NHIP (new hire seniority list instructor pilots).

 

i thought I read on here that instructors have to have a seniority number on day one per the contract now. What is the difference between NHFI and NHIP except the obvious fact that one gets a seniority number and one doesn’t? Which position is the current vacancy for?

 

New hire instructor pilots have to have a seniority number right away (as opposed to the 1 and 2 years it took before). New hire flight instructors/sim instructors are non seniority it list. The difference is in their title and whether or not they fall under the CBA or not (and associated pay).

CBA:
An Instructor Pilot shall be on the JetBlue Master Seniority List .
A minimum of 75% of the total JetBlue Instructors shall be an Instructor Pilot or a JetBlue Pilot Retiree. Adjunct Instructor Pilots will not be included in this calculation.

so…75% of the total instructors have to be Instructor Pilots or retirees. But not all instructors have to be instructor “pilots” (ie the difference between being on the SL, or not). All new instructor “pilots” get on the SL right away. When I voted on the CBA, I thought that meant all new instructors period were required to be on the list. Semantics…but a big difference in meaning.

 

The vacancy says “Flight Instructor Simulator Instructor”

So I guess that means you are non-seniority list. Definitely a question to ask if given the opportunity. That would make a big difference. If you are non-seniority list do you still get an opportunity to fly the line eventually?

 

The non seniority list guys don’t fly the line unless they apply for/get accepted/switch to a pilot or instructor pilot job, I think. Maybe one of the JBU guys can shed more light on it. My info is just from talking to them in training and could be off. The non seniority list job doesn’t sound that great. All the NSLI guys I’ve talked to seem to have lost their medicals or retired from JB or other airlines. Again, anecdotal, so take with a grain of salt until maybe a JBU guy chimes in. Also worth asking upfront if you start the process.

 

Doesn’t the union get a copy of the results to review before publication? Would love to at least hear something. 3 weeks after closing is unnecessarily long to wait IMO.

 

ALPA might have a copy, but releasing that information goes against the CBA without tying that information with the training dates.

Everyone knows if they post the awards immediately and wait on the training dates later pilots would complain that the training dates are taking too long! That’s what pilots do best

 

it’s on a need to know basis. Example. If you got awarded something in the supplemental bid and decided that it wasn’t what you wanted and awarded something different they let you know you won’t be going to training.

Also rumor is that 190 CA has been denied for people because they didn’t meet FOM 121 hour requirements. Heard this from a few people now.

 

2020 hires? Movement is good for all!

 

The FOM requires 2000 hours and only 1000 SIC can be counted from previous carriers. So 2019 hires can be affected by this as well as 2020. Covid screwed everything up.