Vote NO, we need to set a precedent on our first CBA. Not to mention it’s a junk deal. Don’t be a sell out!!

 

What do YOU think will happen if this gets voted down?

 

Anywhere from (the best case) a cease and desist of 1F7/1F8 violations or (less likely) the status quo, it’s an unknown. Essentially it’s take this LOA 17 and put the issue to bed OR take whatever is behind door number 3 and go from there. Many here would rather take what’s behind door number 3 and see how things unfold from there…… Even after a ruling there is nothing preventing two parties from coming to an agreement. I’d much rather see the company slapped with a cease and desist…..if 1F7/1F8 is something they really need there’s nothing I’d love to see more than our NC with the leverage of a deadline from a C+D looming and motivation on the company side to wrap this stuff up with a more equitable payout to the pilots. If 1F7/1F8 is something they can truly work around then they’ll just rebalance those flights and they would’ve called our bluff and won…. But if they could easily do that then what was the point of them approaching the MEC for further relief in the form of LOA 13 and this resultant arbitration. For some reason 1F7/1F8 relief is something they really really need… we spent negotiating capital for those sections in the CBA, we could have just as easily had spent that somewhere else. With greater risk and effort comes with greater reward….. We could just vote Yes on LOA 17 and take a small (very small) win now…. Or we can take a path with more unknowns that has potential to landing more leverage in the NC’s hands, or none at all. Its a game of poker and you need to know when to fold and know when to holdem and try to keep emotion or anxiety out of this.

 

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The value of a cease and desist would be the greatest value and I believe completely plausible. The value of any ruling is greater than bowing our heads to the overlords and saying thank you for abusing us time and time again for a measly 3% and one time cash event. What are we doing, certainly not protecting one of the few better things we have in our contract.

 

Exactly my point… essentially I’ll take what’s behind Door #3 and hope for a cease and desist!

 

But does the MGIA make the NEA more of a JV than a codeshare? Our head of revenue planning said on an earnings call, “we’re not worrying about is the customer choosing the Jetblue flight that day or the American flight that day.” That doesn’t sound like a codeshare where we’re making pennies on the dollar.

The MGIA seems like a ticket scalper selling a ticket at face value but charging $300 for the envelope.

 

While not the main bone of contention….many would disagree….American Eagle operating under Fee for Departure agreements with American are operating B6 code which is not a feature of our agreements with your examples of Cape Air, Silver or Emirates nor ANY of our codeshare (as opposed to interline) partners, did you know that? Essentially we now have backdoored Fee for Departure through a 3rd party, actually very clever, never underestimate management at any airline for deception.

 

I'm leaning toward no, but I'm undecided so far.

I'm pessimistic that the arbitrator will do anything at all that benefits us. I know it's "possible". but I was at trans states when gojet was formed, which was a blatant violation of the contract, as blatant as could be. arbitration did nothing for us. lawsuits did nothing for us. we got nothing. the company never came to us with any offer to vote on, not that we would have voted for it. they just did it and in the end got away with it.

anyway, my point is, if we vote this down, and the arbitrator does nothing against the company (a very real possibility), then how are we in a better position at all? I understand when people say "if we vote yes, the company will think they can buy us off anytime they want to violate the contract". ok, maybe so.

but if we vote it down, and the arbitrator does nothing against the company, then what has the company learned? they've learned that they can violate the contract anyway, and there's nothing we can do about it. and again, it's a real possibility. none of us at trans states thought hulas would get away with the whole gojet thing, but he did. scot free.

just gaming out the scenarios here.

 

I get it that it would suck to not get anything if the arbitrator ruled against us 100%, but it isn’t a huge gain we are getting anyways to vote yes. 6k after taxes? I’d rather get zero and have the arbitrator rule against us knowing Jetblue pilot group grew a spine and stood up for our hard earned contract.