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Old 03-24-2022 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The MEC and NC are saying that LOA 17 gives us “increased protections” and “additional restrictions imposed upon the NEA which the company is obligated…”

If LOA 17 gives ALPA more control over the NEA, and LOA 17 gives pilots a raise and a $30 million payout, then what’s the other side of LOA 17? What’s in it for the company? How does the company benefit? Crickets…
Straight from the ELT’s mouths in the last quarterly earnings call approx 100 million in incremental revenue so far (and just think that was just in the initial first yr staged rollout). All enabled by LOA 12 without pilot input by a naive MEC, rightfully rejected by the pilot group in LOA 13….. now they agree to throw 30 million at us to make us go away…. We are talking a billion plus of new revenue in the next 10 yrs! I say vote no and let the arbitrator rule! If they rule cease and desist you better believe the company will sprint back to ALPA and do what it takes to keep the NEA intact. If not we get the foregone wage increases in the signing bonus for CBA 2 (that’s what the signing bonus traditionally is after all).
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Old 03-24-2022 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
I sincerely hope there is an even greater No vote than for LOA 13 on this one!
This will pass and you will like it!

sincerely,

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Old 03-24-2022 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
This will pass and you will like it!

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welcome to American Airlines flight 3567 operated by Jetblue express an American Eagle carrier.
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Old 03-24-2022 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by morerudder69
They get $150+ million of revenue per year that over 10 years we will see a tiny fraction of.
They’re already getting that, so there’s nothing for them to gain from LOA 17 unless the company is afraid of it going to arbitration.
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Old 03-24-2022 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
They’re already getting that, so there’s nothing for them to gain from LOA 17 unless the company is afraid of it going to arbitration.
They are only getting that additional $150+m (just in the 1st year of this NEA no less) with the initial enablement of LOA 12 (with no pilot input) and now they hope to put the issue to bed with a yes vote on this LOA 17 for a one time $30m and “change”. Sorry that’s a NO! They have much more to fear from arbitration than us pilots as any cease and desist order would immediately force the company to actually play ball with a serious offering to the pilot group unless they want to walk away from such an enormous incremental revenue stream! How bout 10% of the incremental revenue stream annually to be distributed to the pilots for the life of the agreement because it was ultimately only made possible by us providing relief to key sections of our CBA at a critical period for the company…. That would be a starting point!

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Old 03-24-2022 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The MEC and NC are saying that LOA 17 gives us “increased protections” and “additional restrictions imposed upon the NEA which the company is obligated…”

If LOA 17 gives ALPA more control over the NEA, and LOA 17 gives pilots a raise and a $30 million payout, then what’s the other side of LOA 17? What’s in it for the company? How does the company benefit? Crickets…
How can they say this with a straight face? The protections are not greater than original scope protections for JetBlue pilots, the intent of scope, no? They have some restriction metrics which never acknowledge the company’s complete lack of respect for previous language written and give no greater leverage to remedy future violations. This is shiite and must be dealt with as such, flushed.
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Old 03-24-2022 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Just
How can they say this with a straight face? The protections are not greater than original scope protections for JetBlue pilots, the intent of scope, no? They have some restriction metrics which never acknowledge the company’s complete lack of respect for previous language written and give no greater leverage to remedy future violations. This is shiite and must be dealt with as such, flushed.
Exactly.

Then again, we could vote down the 3% just like we voted down the 2%, and the arbitrator could uphold the grievance and order the company to cease the hub-hub and hub-intl flying on AA.

Then we’d really be negotiating from a position of strength. I bet the MEC would settle for 4% and come back to us for ratification. Win Win.
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Old 03-24-2022 | 02:26 PM
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Honest questions. Didn't you just pull off some recalls at the LEC level? If so, then why is CK still your MEC chair?
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Old 03-24-2022 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Honest questions. Didn't you just pull off some recalls at the LEC level? If so, then why is CK still your MEC chair?
He was voted in for another term before enough of the LEC turnover occurred (looking at you BOS mafia). The clowns in BOS who are no longer reps STILL think it was a mistake for the last LOA to get voted down, even with hindsight. The new BOS guys are better from what I hear. But the Chris Kenney re-election was their parting gift before their terms ended.
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Old 03-24-2022 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer
I'm not doubting this at all. I mean, our union was accepting low ball offers at the same time our company was buying back hundreds of millions of dollars of stock, but where would I find this information?
Check out the 2021 Proxy Statement. Proposal about compensation of executive officers. Voted on and passed.
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