JetBlue bids for Spirit Airlines
04-07-2022, 09:42 PM
#191
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The degree to which the pilots on my own list do not understand ALPA merger policy make the results of the recent vote much easier to understand.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
04-07-2022, 09:52 PM
#192
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Originally Posted by WNeast
Well someone in the AS thread said AS made a cash offer for B6 so I guess we will hear soon. And it interesting what happens now.
04-07-2022, 09:54 PM
#193
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
I think in an F9/NK merger the SLI would have been a no brainer. But B6/NK? I think the closest thing recently was the AS/VX merger and I think the inevitable mediator (because the two pilot groups aren’t EVER going to agree) will use that as a precedent.
04-07-2022, 10:11 PM
#194
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Originally Posted by antbar01
The degree to which the pilots on my own list do not understand ALPA merger policy make the results of the recent vote much easier to understand.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
Vote? What are you talking about? There won't be a vote. It would be crazy for either MEC to agree to a SLI outside of arbitration. So no vote.
04-08-2022, 03:11 AM
#195
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Originally Posted by likeitis
Vote? What are you talking about? There won't be a vote. It would be crazy for either MEC to agree to a SLI outside of arbitration. So no vote.
04-08-2022, 05:30 AM
#196
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
What the crankyflier doesn't account for is the pilot market. Frontier may be the only real ULCC left in the game, but they won't be able to capitalize on that if they can't grow. Which means that we won't have to compete with the ULCC segment, and can concentrate on being a budget legacy.
04-08-2022, 05:33 AM
#197
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https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/...s/default.aspx
“MIRAMAR, Fla., April 7, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Spirit Airlines, Inc. ("Spirit" or the "Company") (NYSE:SAVE) today announced that its Board of Directors has determined, after consultation with the Company's outside financial and legal advisors, that the unsolicited proposal received from JetBlue Airways ("JetBlue") (Nasdaq: JBLU) to acquire Spirit in an all-cash transaction for $33.00 per share could reasonably be likely to lead to a "Superior Proposal" as defined in Spirit's merger agreement with Frontier Group Holdings, Inc. ("Frontier") (NASDAQ: ULCC), parent company of Frontier Airlines, Inc.
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“MIRAMAR, Fla., April 7, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Spirit Airlines, Inc. ("Spirit" or the "Company") (NYSE:SAVE) today announced that its Board of Directors has determined, after consultation with the Company's outside financial and legal advisors, that the unsolicited proposal received from JetBlue Airways ("JetBlue") (Nasdaq: JBLU) to acquire Spirit in an all-cash transaction for $33.00 per share could reasonably be likely to lead to a "Superior Proposal" as defined in Spirit's merger agreement with Frontier Group Holdings, Inc. ("Frontier") (NASDAQ: ULCC), parent company of Frontier Airlines, Inc.
…..”
04-08-2022, 05:35 AM
#198
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Originally Posted by antbar01
The degree to which the pilots on my own list do not understand ALPA merger policy make the results of the recent vote much easier to understand.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
Your fate is sealed. Whatever the outcome of this transaction is, unless you get another job, you are where you are. Where will you be? Nobody knows. Enjoy the ride and don’t be a rat bästard to the guy next to you, whether they’re NK or B6.
Whatever seniority list the combined MECs present WILL be ratified on the first vote. Because that’s what we do. The Spirit guys have some sack (they ACTUALLY STRUCK) so even in smaller numbers, expect them to come correct. They’ll vote as a block and frankly, I’d be proud to be associated with them. But they won’t settle for scraps, nor should they.
If you want to be a captain and can hold it, bid it immediately. That’s about the limit of the change you can effect.
I had a few martinis and thought this might help folks understand: you’re a passenger now, on a flight of your own design. Now go pick up a VDA.
Almost certainly this would go to SLI arbitration, a vote is not likely to pass, historically speaking. And bidding captain to help your final seniority number? It doesn't work that way! Good lord.
04-08-2022, 05:52 AM
#199
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
A staple will never happen nor is it fair. Relative seniority isn’t really much more fair either for the Jetblue guys. No wonder the spirit guys want that. I too would want that if I was in spirit. Even spirit straight DOH would be a gift to the spirit group. Let’s call it for what it is. Bases not a factor Jetblue is the more desirable airline. Throw rocks at me if you will but it’s always been easier to get a call from spirit than Jetblue. If you give a regional pilot applying to both an option most if not all would choose Jetblue (again base not a factor). Outside of the seldom few that leave for a base the tiers have always been Fedex,UPS, Delta, United at 1 with American and southwest at 1b. Tier 2 was Jetblue and Alaska. Tier 3 has been the frontier and spirit and Atlas. After those came the remaining airlines.
If someone wants to argue against that then that’s fine. How many Jetblue guys going to spirit? I know a few spirit at JetBlue. I don’t say that with any diminishing of people happy at spirit, but as many in Jetblue if United or delta has acquired us I wouldn’t be happy about losing seniority but I wouldn’t deny is a better place.
Also to the post about Jetblue money and how much money spirit makes… Jetblue is acquiring spirit (not that that plays any into a seniority Integration but it should) CASH.
Of course the spirit pilots here would say relative seniority should be it. That way the 2015 pilot could be senior to the JetBlue 2007 pilot. At straight DOH the JetBlue pilot had to have higher qualifications to get the call and his company purchased the other and converted their airline but of course the spirit pilot would argue they should be more senior.
If someone wants to argue against that then that’s fine. How many Jetblue guys going to spirit? I know a few spirit at JetBlue. I don’t say that with any diminishing of people happy at spirit, but as many in Jetblue if United or delta has acquired us I wouldn’t be happy about losing seniority but I wouldn’t deny is a better place.
Also to the post about Jetblue money and how much money spirit makes… Jetblue is acquiring spirit (not that that plays any into a seniority Integration but it should) CASH.
Of course the spirit pilots here would say relative seniority should be it. That way the 2015 pilot could be senior to the JetBlue 2007 pilot. At straight DOH the JetBlue pilot had to have higher qualifications to get the call and his company purchased the other and converted their airline but of course the spirit pilot would argue they should be more senior.
All this talk about SLI confirms for me that the F9/NK prospect is less painful. I don’t want a bitter SLI fight. I just want to get this over with and keep flying airplanes next to down-to-earth, easy to work with guys and gals.
04-08-2022, 06:17 AM
#200
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
Come on man. I didn’t even apply to JetBlue. Sorry to burst your bubble.
All this talk about SLI confirms for me that the F9/NK prospect is less painful. I don’t want a bitter SLI fight. I just want to get this over with and keep flying airplanes next to down-to-earth, easy to work with guys and gals.
All this talk about SLI confirms for me that the F9/NK prospect is less painful. I don’t want a bitter SLI fight. I just want to get this over with and keep flying airplanes next to down-to-earth, easy to work with guys and gals.
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