Originally Posted by Planes R Great (Post 3485104)

That is not accurate regarding all AirTran Captains being downgraded. I was in training with a Left seat to Left seat guy from AirTran.There were quite a few Captains that did that. The catch was it had to be after a trigger date. I cant quite remember what that date was. It was widely thought that those pilots should have flown right seat at Captain pay for a period of time due to vastly different operating philosophies but that didnt happen.

ALPA national gave an SLI presentation in Atlanta that said of all the historical airline seniority mergers in history (North American Carriers) wirh Delta/Northwest being the best and I think it was AA/TWA or something as the least equitable, SWA/AT was in the middle. A lawsuit would net at most a 3-4% upside for the AT ALPA pilots with the possibility of unknown downside due to both carriers not being ALPA. Not quite germane to the Spirit/JB thing but the buzzwords for the SWA/AT SLI was expected career progression taking into account the more junior seniority list at AirTran.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3485626)

Au contraire. Career xpectatiins are whatever the arbitrator decides they are.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3485626)

Au contraire. Career xpectatiins are whatever the arbitrator decides they are.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3485746)

right, just like the arbitrator could decide to order the list by last name instead of anything else. Again, there isn’t any precedent for considering upgrade times into career expectations. Yes, I suppose it could occur, but that would be a change from previous precedent.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3485746)

right, just like the arbitrator could decide to order the list by last name instead of anything else. Again, there isn’t any precedent for considering upgrade times into career expectations. Yes, I suppose it could occur, but that would be a change from previous precedent.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3485758)

Maybe a 50 seat regional captain put ahead of a mainline 787 captain on the seniority list, because the regional captain has more years? Nope, ain’t going to happen.

Originally Posted by filejw (Post 3487953)

After 4 mergers the best thing I could say is expect the unexpected .

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3485762)

Agree. And EXPECTED upgrade times at airlines change like farts in a hurricane. You can EXPECT something in this business, but you will usually be disappointed.

And... JB has had 3 year upgrades recently anyway. Which will change, always does.

So to The Dog, "good luck with that"... 😁

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3487962)

Time will tell…

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3488000)

I know. None of us KNOW what will happen. NK, if I'm not mistaken, has had to slow upgrades anyhow do you not having enough FOs (attrition).


I still believe the Alaska/Virgin methodology is most likely, or a slight variation of it.