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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
(Post 3492079)
They did in United/CAL and American/USAir. The 757-200s and -300s were placed in a higher category than 737 and Airbus 319/320. At American they had 4 groups, and the lowest was E-190. Not only that the arbitrators put the The A220 is clearly not an A320 and will likely be a lower category.
This is what American’s SLI looked like in the end. (Not counting longevity) Tier 1 777,A330 CA Tier 2 767,757 CA Tier 3 737, MD-80, A-320 CA Tier 4 777,A330 FO Tier 5 767,757 FO Tier 6 737, MD-80, A-320 FO Tier 7 E-190 CA Tier 8 E-190 FO The A-220 is an E-190 replacement and will likely be treated as a lower category than an A-320. The A220-300 even pays more than the NKs A320. |
Originally Posted by I was inverted
(Post 3492093)
That aligns with their pay bands, which neither B6 nor NK have. The 190 at US/AA was treated basically like an RJ (group 1, as is the case with A220-100 in their pay rates). A220-300 is banded with md80/a320/737 families, ie group 2. A220-300 is the same size as an A319 (and pays more at B6 than a 321 does at NK) and is banded with other narrowbodies, not small narrowbodies. Should we break down “category” into 321, 320, 319/223 for purposes of integration then also? Sounds like a plan.
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This is about seniority list integration :)
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3491697)
Might be 7/28/22. But also understand that as of that date, the E190s were already announced to become Pepsi cans. So I don't believe they will be part of the SLI anyway.
Yes, but if orders don't count why would announced, but not happened yet, retirements count? |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3492104)
You're drunk if you think an aircraft that overlaps in capacity and range like the A220-300/A319 will be considered different categories.
The A220-300 even pays more than the NKs A320. |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 3492883)
Would be nice if there was some clarity about it...
Yes, but if orders don't count why would announced, but not happened yet, retirements count? |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 3492884)
I am still guessing there will be 3 categories, maybe 4 (ETOPS 321). And I am drinking tea. Definitely have been wrong before.
Or you can stop misusing the idea of categories and stop having strange fantasies about how you can find a way to screw JB pilots on an SLI. |
Originally Posted by Popeye0537
(Post 3491822)
For now, and it only pays more above certain years.
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This all reminds me of the early COVID discussions when one group was saying things like “if you anti science troglydytes would just mask and social distance for two weeks to bend down the curve,” and “As soon as we get 80% immunized COVID will go away,” while the other side was saying “A virus is going to virus.”
Nobody here ought to have any sort of surety because a mediator is going to mediate. We can of course root for our home team or our preferred method of cutting up the seniority pie but in the end the only one whose opinion will matter will be that of the mediator, and there WILL be a mediator, because just like this thread, there will never be agreement. Now about that JCBA which must come first, any GOOD ideas on that we can all agree upon? Not just “more money,” that one is a given, “ but things that can actually improve QOL by making more efficient use of the time the job forces us to be away from home and family so we have more time to BE around home and family or, if the nest is now empty, playing with all the accumulated toys? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3492964)
This all reminds me of the early COVID discussions when one group was saying things like “if you anti science troglydytes would just mask and social distance for two weeks to bend down the curve,” and “As soon as we get 80% immunized COVID will go away,” while the other side was saying “A virus is going to virus.”
Nobody here ought to have any sort of surety because a mediator is going to mediate. We can of course root for our home team or our preferred method of cutting up the seniority pie but in the end the only one whose opinion will matter will be that of the mediator, and there WILL be a mediator, because just like this thread, there will never be agreement. Now about that JCBA which must come first, any GOOD ideas on that we can all agree upon? Not just “more money,” that one is a given, “ but things that can actually improve QOL by making more efficient use of the time the job forces us to be away from home and family so we have more time to BE around home and family or, if the nest is now empty, playing with all the accumulated toys? It'll be an arbitrator. 😂 |
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