Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3488941)

Like I said, I haven’t seen the awards. But there’s still a lot of people that are currently on the 170. I guess once the 220 fleet grows, it will go more junior. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3488551)

As long as they have differing types they are by definition a separate category, unlike 319/320/321. A220 and A321 pilots are NOT interchangeable. The small difference in payscale between the two certainly mitigates the effect that will have on overall seniority but for everyday practical purposes (scheduling seniority and basing) having multiple types does have an effect. Even things as trivial as ETOPS/nonETOPS have their effects. It isn’t just payscale that affects QOL, particularly if you desire to live near a certain base.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3489541)

You are confused. Category doesn't mean type. I'm not EXACTLY sure of the precise definition, but it basically means narrow-body or wide-body. It CAN be further broken down into small-narrow-body and large-narrow-body, if the arbitrator thinks it's important, but frankly the A220 and A320 overlap as it is. The A220-300 has the range and capacity of the A319. Airbus at will almost certainly by the time SLI arbitration begins, will have announced the long anticipated A220-500, which will have A320 capacity and range. JB is likely to have an order placed for it by then as well. And our A220-300 pays more than your A320.

An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3489545)

Plus, I believe the JBA220 pays more than the NKA320. Smaller airplane won’t be a thing.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3491565)

If I remember correctly, in the AS/VA mediation future orders were specifically excluded, only aircraft on property at the date the merger started. And serious question, because I can't figure it out, what date would that be for JB/NK? And upgrade times only played a small role as part of career expectations, so don't think it's going to help us at NK much. In the end nothing matters, but curious.

Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3489545)

Plus, I believe the JBA220 pays more than the NKA320. Smaller airplane won’t be a thing.

Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3491822)

For now, and it only pays more above certain years.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3489541)

You are confused. Category doesn't mean type. I'm not EXACTLY sure of the precise definition, but it basically means narrow-body or wide-body. It CAN be further broken down into small-narrow-body and large-narrow-body, if the arbitrator thinks it's important, but frankly the A220 and A320 overlap as it is. The A220-300 has the range and capacity of the A319. Airbus will almost certainly by the time SLI arbitration begins, will have announced the long anticipated A220-500, which will have A320 capacity and range. JB is likely to have an order placed for it by then as well. And our A220-300 pays more than your A320.

An arbitrator breaking narrow-bodies into "small" and "large" is more likely if you were talking B717 vs B757-300s, not an overlapping capacity pair of types that basically pay within the distance between Chevy Chase's butt cheeks of each other.

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3492079)

They did in United/CAL and American/USAir. The 757-200s and -300s were placed in a higher category than 737 and Airbus 319/320. At American they had 4 groups, and the lowest was E-190. Not only that the arbitrators put the The A220 is clearly not an A320 and will likely be a lower category.

This is what American’s SLI looked like in the end. (Not counting longevity)

Tier 1 777,A330 CA
Tier 2 767,757 CA
Tier 3 737, MD-80, A-320 CA
Tier 4 777,A330 FO
Tier 5 767,757 FO
Tier 6 737, MD-80, A-320 FO
Tier 7 E-190 CA
Tier 8 E-190 FO

The A-220 is an E-190 replacement and will likely be treated as a lower category than an A-320.