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Originally Posted by dualinput
(Post 3549963)
What’s the date on the January meeting?
I hate to say it but if you guys don’t have something good by the time our vote closes jan 10th there is a chance this steaming pile gets voted in. We have a lot of “this is spirit” attitude from seasoned veterans that have no idea the current market nor have they ever, and a lot “of we’ll get ‘em next time” from the newer guys January negotiation dates are 10-11 January… |
Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
(Post 3550813)
This is one of the reasons I think B6 management will try to push things off until January. If we get an AIP much higher than NK before their vote, it increases the chance of them voting theirs down. I would think B6 management wants NK making less when the merger happens. It keeps costs down a bit and helps managements’s argument on pay in the JCBA. The flip side to that is a labor dispute over the holidays. I guess we’ll know where B6 mgmt stands in 2-3 days.
January negotiation dates are 10-11 January… JB would like their costs low, but they would be even better served if Spirit could get their staffing and utilization up, which would have an even greater impact on financial returns. Also, JB is buying Spirit in large part to gain pilots and aircraft. Spirit's low wages are already having a negative impact on hiring/retention, and if it keeps going this way JB will be buying a very poorly performing airline with hundreds of fewer pilots than planned. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3550823)
In a perfect world, you would probably be right. I think things are different right now, and Spirit is having fairly significant financial difficulties because they can't staff their fleet and have deliveries coming rapidly in the near future, if not now.
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Absolutely no way they wrap this up prior to Spirits voting. The difference of a month could save them 100’s of millions of dollars from a company that they are purchasing. I will be shocked if anything even gets agreed upon in January. It’s either Delta numbers + profit sharing or it’s a No vote from me. To each their own, but that is my floor for a economic only short term contract. The airline may be labeled as a “LCC” but nothing on my pilot certificate says “LCC ATP”. The airline can market themselves however the deem fit but, that does not effect how I operate an aircraft safely from point A-B. How an airline makes profit is above my pay grade, and that is why the top is paid accordingly.
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3550858)
NK management is using scare tactics and that is all. Forecasts look good for a profit for Q4 at NK.
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
(Post 3550859)
Absolutely no way they wrap this up prior to Spirits voting. The difference of a month could save them 100’s of millions of dollars from a company that they are purchasing. I will be shocked if anything even gets agreed upon in January. It’s either Delta numbers + profit sharing or it’s a No vote from me. To each their own, but that is my floor for a economic only short term contract. The airline may be labeled as a “LCC” but nothing on my pilot certificate says “LCC ATP”. The airline can market themselves however the deem fit but, that does not effect how I operate an aircraft safely from point A-B. How an airline makes profit is above my pay grade, and that is why the top is paid accordingly.
Otherwise I'm with you 100%. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3550867)
A profit at NK, finally, is not the same as a good profit at NK. There is no denying staffing is hurting utilization and profit.
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3550963)
No one said staffing isn’t hurting utilization. Making a comment about your assessment of the finances at NK. Management is playing a game.
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
(Post 3550859)
Absolutely no way they wrap this up prior to Spirits voting. The difference of a month could save them 100’s of millions of dollars from a company that they are purchasing. I will be shocked if anything even gets agreed upon in January. It’s either Delta numbers + profit sharing or it’s a No vote from me. To each their own, but that is my floor for a economic only short term contract. The airline may be labeled as a “LCC” but nothing on my pilot certificate says “LCC ATP”. The airline can market themselves however the deem fit but, that does not effect how I operate an aircraft safely from point A-B. How an airline makes profit is above my pay grade, and that is why the top is paid accordingly.
Again, not trying to argue your point as I do wanna see us all get fair contracts/rates but at the end of the day a lot of us won’t. |
Originally Posted by Bgood
(Post 3550004)
Doesn't matter if they'll get another bite. Secure new AIP standard rates now. We'll deal with JCBA when that comes. Let's not focus on JCBA and focus on the leverage we have now in the industry
Spirit mgmt current can't utilize their aircraft how they'd like due to staffing, which is why they are at the table. Use that leverage. NK folks, I hope you vote it down and get something better. Then we can all meet at the JCBA table and improve even more. I hate this "We'll get'em next time," thought. When will it truly be "next time"? Every time there is a TA to be voted on, we get this "next time" mantra in every pilot group. How about this time? If at anytime you (generally speaking) have to use those terms when a TA is out for vote, you are acknowledging that there is more on the table and you are choosing to leave it there in the hopes of "next time". Get that ***t now and move on. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk |
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