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Desdi 12-07-2022 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3545860)
They are meeting today. Actually half a day so they might be done already.

I imagine today was a readjustment of expectations.


Here is the new market rate. Enjoy. See ya next week.


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Hopefully a readjustment of expectations simultaneously reiterating the intention of declaring a labor dispute if an agreement isn’t reached after the next session. When you have leverage you play hardball!

Roy Biggins 12-07-2022 08:41 AM
Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3545749)
Agreed, they should walk in there on the next session and throw our new ask on the table and tell them our ask will continue to adjust up as United and American AIPs are reached….. AND if mgt continues to stand firm on profit sharing then present them with two sets or payrates, The 1st in line with AK/DL with profit sharing and a 2nd set of rates with an additional appropriate premium to reflect lack of profit sharing to bring our total compensation package to parity with those other carriers. Their choice!
As much as I agree with everything you said here, I have very little faith this company is going to pay out accordingly. I’ve this sinking feeling the company is he(( bent on not paying us at market value and is willing to shrink instead. I’m in my 5th year, driving to work, side business, life is good, and now even I’m thinking about starting over…based on what the company does here. As much as I dread the thought of starting over anywhere.

Excargodog 12-07-2022 08:45 AM
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3545902)
As much as I agree with everything you said here, I have very little faith this company is going to pay out accordingly. I’ve this sinking feeling the company is he(( bent on not paying us at market value and is willing to shrink instead. I’m in my 5th year, driving to work, side business, life is good, and now even I’m thinking about starting over…based on what the company does here. As much as I dread the thought of starting over anywhere.
It won’t just be shrink. Extinction is a real possibility, hopefully while being bought up by someone willing to pay market price for personnel.

seekingblue 12-07-2022 09:42 AM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3545908)
It won’t just be shrink. Extinction is a real possibility, hopefully while being bought up by someone willing to pay market price for personnel.

IMHO..... management knows and understands this. If they didn't they wouldn't have agreed to start negotiations for a short term contract extension.

The biggest question is-- how long will the continue to bleed people before they hit the threshold to say "yes?" And.... how does the possibility (probability?) of a contract dispute change their math on moving a contract along.

Transit 12-07-2022 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 3545949)
IMHO..... management knows and understands this. If they didn't they wouldn't have agreed to start negotiations for a short term contract extension.

The biggest question is-- how long will the continue to bleed people before they hit the threshold to say "yes?" And.... how does the possibility (probability?) of a contract dispute change their math on moving a contract along.
I agree, I think they know they aren't in a position to play hardball it's just a matter of how much they want to drag their heels up to the imminent JCBA. It would make much for sense to play ball now on pay rates and we can hash everything else out later. I do like the proposals mentioned mentioning pay rates with and without profit sharing.

Hopefully we hear some information later today or tomorrow regarding how the meeting went today.

Rolf 12-07-2022 12:32 PM
A bunch of you were on Wall St today. Thank you!

PILOTGUY 12-07-2022 03:19 PM
Even Spirit has an AIP now.
They union needs to straighten up their backbone, put the hammer down and get this done!!

Bgood 12-07-2022 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 3546076)
A bunch of you were on Wall St today. Thank you!
[emoji1360][emoji1360][emoji1360] we are all in it together. Solidarity

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dualinput 12-07-2022 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by PILOTGUY (Post 3546213)
Even Spirit has an AIP now.
They union needs to straighten up their backbone, put the hammer down and get this done!!
We have one but what is it is the question. Let’s hope they aren’t completely out of touch with where the industry is.

Desdi 12-08-2022 05:32 AM
Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3546304)
We have one but what is it is the question. Let’s hope they aren’t completely out of touch with where the industry is.

Sooooo we had a short negotiating session yesterday right? Days after the DL AIP, followed a few hours later by the Sprit AIP dropping. Could the lack of a NC Update email last night be a sign something is in the works?


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