By that logic, JetBlue should pay more…

Good thing we dont do that.

And JetBlue pays as poorly as they do because JB does a lot of redeye flying?

Also, check that assumption about FedEx. It isn't as much redeye flying as it used to be.

I certainly hope both the JetBlue and spirit NC have adjusted their asks with the delta AIP now on the table. The other legacy managements are even saying the delta AIP is the new benchmark. Why aren’t our own representatives saying the same.

Agreed, they should walk in there on the next session and throw our new ask on the table and tell them our ask will continue to adjust up as United and American AIPs are reached….. AND if mgt continues to stand firm on profit sharing then present them with two sets or payrates, The 1st in line with AK/DL with profit sharing and a 2nd set of rates with an additional appropriate premium to reflect lack of profit sharing to bring our total compensation package to parity with those other carriers. Their choice!

I like your style...

1000%
can we have you present this offer?

Id love to but hopefully that is what is happening as we speak…. If not (or something similar) that’s negligence. I expect a total compensation package to be equal or greater than a legacy narrowbody pilot of matching category and status. Give the company the choice with what they feel comfortable with:

A. industry standard payrates WITH PS
B. industry ldg by a descent margin WITHOUT PS
C. Wait BUT understand our ask will go up as the UA and AA AIPs come out.

See we can be reasonable…..their choice, each is equally cool by us, ask them which course they’d like to pursue, it would save us all time and effort.

Email your reps and suggest this track…. Might speed things along who knows

They are meeting today. Actually half a day so they might be done already.

I imagine today was a readjustment of expectations.


Here is the new market rate. Enjoy. See ya next week.


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today, I’m thankful for Delta.

as you stated, the Delta AIP has reset everyone’s expectations. Will be interesting if management tries to get ahead of the flood of incoming AIP’s and just says “ok.” Or perhaps the keep fighting their losing battle.