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Old 10-21-2022 | 06:54 AM
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At this point it only makes sense for them to choose/lean more towards the acquisition of NK over the NEA. The NEA sucked resources from MCO and FLL, pretty much temporarily handicapping us from growth in FL just to used AA slots in the N.E (which would be taken away whenever the NEA sunsets, so temporary). Meanwhile NK has the massive resources (plane, crew, property, order book etc.) we would need to grow significantly and be a more stable competitor for years and years to come.

RH doesn't strike me as being so crazy to choose NEA over the merger if he can't get both.

As they said in the pocket sessions (repeatedly) for the reasons why we can't expand as we would like, we have more opportunities than we have resources. Especially since Airbus is all types of delayed with our orders.
Bgood has found a Bingo here. Of course Robin and Giggity say the NEA is just as important as acquiring NK. You don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings.

But the tone of the Exec memos and pocket sessions is one-sided. The NEA helped us survive COVID. Merging with Spirit is how we will survive the next five years.

The NEA served a purpose, and now it’s cramping our ability to set our own density. It’s clear they think the Spirit deal is the way forward, with or without the NEA.
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Old 10-21-2022 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Bgood has found a Bingo here. Of course Robin and Giggity say the NEA is just as important as acquiring NK. You don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings.

But the tone of the Exec memos and pocket sessions is one-sided. The NEA helped us survive COVID. Merging with Spirit is how we will survive the next five years.

The NEA served a purpose, and now it’s cramping our ability to set our own density. It’s clear they think the Spirit deal is the way forward, with or without the NEA.
I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but the NEA plans existed long before covid (Nov 2019). It wasn’t a covid survival tool, it was a northeast growth tool (more slots from AA that were otherwise unavailable), then they used covid survival/recovery as the selling point to seek both ALPA scope concessions as well as selling points to the DOT/DOJ for easier approval. It has seemingly flopped (B6 is/was still losing money while everyone else was making money, and B6 was on the hook to pay AA $200m from their JV portion, but negotiated it down with AA to $25m since they were still losing money last quarter (I wonder what they gave up in those negotiations?)). So, I don’t think B6 really cares if it gets dissolved at this point, especially if they don’t have to pay the early exit fee (~$750 mil iirc, prorated). They still get some LGA slots from NK and can deal with/grow the combined B6/NK existing LGA/JFK/EWR/BOS footprint as able. That’s just my take though.
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Old 10-21-2022 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The NEA served a purpose, and now it’s cramping our ability to set our own density.
I see what you did there. Even if it's a typo it still works.
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Old 10-21-2022 | 10:05 AM
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I see what you did there. Even if it's a typo it still works.
Look, I'm just not ready to ask Lorraine out to the dance, and not you, or anybody else on this planet is gonna make me change my mind.
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Old 10-21-2022 | 10:18 AM
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Look, I'm just not ready to ask Lorraine out to the dance, and not you, or anybody else on this planet is gonna make me change my mind.
Hang on, I’ll get my Van Halen tape…..

RIP Eddie…ehh fk that, turn up the amp and the gain knob
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Old 10-21-2022 | 02:57 PM
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Look, I'm just not ready to ask Lorraine out to the dance, and not you, or anybody else on this planet is gonna make me change my mind.
Give me a Tab.
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Old 10-21-2022 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I would edit that post... That's an internal email, and they may not want the entire quote public.

Wrong post. Deleted.
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Old 10-22-2022 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by I was inverted
I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but the NEA plans existed long before covid (Nov 2019). It wasn’t a covid survival tool, it was a northeast growth tool (more slots from AA that were otherwise unavailable), then they used covid survival/recovery as the selling point to seek both ALPA scope concessions as well as selling points to the DOT/DOJ for easier approval. It has seemingly flopped (B6 is/was still losing money while everyone else was making money, and B6 was on the hook to pay AA $200m from their JV portion, but negotiated it down with AA to $25m since they were still losing money last quarter (I wonder what they gave up in those negotiations?)). So, I don’t think B6 really cares if it gets dissolved at this point, especially if they don’t have to pay the early exit fee (~$750 mil iirc, prorated). They still get some LGA slots from NK and can deal with/grow the combined B6/NK existing LGA/JFK/EWR/BOS footprint as able. That’s just my take though.
I believe Jetblue really wants the slots at JFK and LGA. American can't make money flying them. The best case scenario for Jetblue is that the DOJ dumbs down the NEA to a simple codeshare but American lets Jetblue continue to fly the slots. No revenue sharing, no flight coordinating, no frequent flier mile sharing. There is a decent chance that American will do that just to keep the slots off the open market and still have a partner in JFK. Then with the Spirit merger we take down all their one off flying and fill back in at FLL, MCO, EWR, BOS.
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Old 10-22-2022 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by keysersose
I believe Jetblue really wants the slots at JFK and LGA. American can't make money flying them. The best case scenario for Jetblue is that the DOJ dumbs down the NEA to a simple codeshare but American lets Jetblue continue to fly the slots. No revenue sharing, no flight coordinating, no frequent flier mile sharing. There is a decent chance that American will do that just to keep the slots off the open market and still have a partner in JFK. Then with the Spirit merger we take down all their one off flying and fill back in at FLL, MCO, EWR, BOS.
Biden's DOJ refuses to negotiate concessions in the NEA and are leaving it in the hands of the judge. B6/AA very well could walk out status qoe.
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Old 10-22-2022 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Steelers
Biden's DOJ refuses to negotiate concessions in the NEA and are leaving it in the hands of the judge. B6/AA very well could walk out status qoe.
Status what?
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