Felons at jetblue
10-22-2024 | 12:10 AM
#192
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It was a matter of discussion. I had this discussion with friends starting from the Sackler family and its OPiod problems and discussion tangents went all over the place.
One of which i was asked if there were pilots with felonies. I know of a very famous one - coincidentally Canadian, pilot who had the skill to save that A330 that ran out of gas over the Atlantic and landed safely in the Azores. Turns out he actually did prison time for drug trafficking.
My point was whether the pilot group used to be tolerant of these things (i did talk about this before when i was a mechanic myself decades ago) and back then they were like 'yeah well depending on the crime and length of time, they used to be more forgiving. So is it now the general crew consensus that ex-cons can work on your plane (theyre there, trust me) but cant fly?
Here's the beginning of the article. Some day I'll learn how to insert a URL.
Hero Transat pilot has drug trafficking record
Capt. Robert Piche jailed 2 years in U.S. in 1980s, newspaper says
MONTREAL (CP) — The Air Transat pilot who glided a crippled jet to a safe landing off Portugal last week served nearly two years in U.S. prisons for drug trafficking, Montreal La Presse reported today.
The newspaper, citing a corrections spokesman for the state of Georgia, said Robert Piche was found guilty in Nov. 1983 of ``trafficking a quantity of marijuana weighing between 101 and
200 pounds."
The rest of the story is at torontostar.com
One of which i was asked if there were pilots with felonies. I know of a very famous one - coincidentally Canadian, pilot who had the skill to save that A330 that ran out of gas over the Atlantic and landed safely in the Azores. Turns out he actually did prison time for drug trafficking.
My point was whether the pilot group used to be tolerant of these things (i did talk about this before when i was a mechanic myself decades ago) and back then they were like 'yeah well depending on the crime and length of time, they used to be more forgiving. So is it now the general crew consensus that ex-cons can work on your plane (theyre there, trust me) but cant fly?
Here's the beginning of the article. Some day I'll learn how to insert a URL.
Hero Transat pilot has drug trafficking record
Capt. Robert Piche jailed 2 years in U.S. in 1980s, newspaper says
MONTREAL (CP) — The Air Transat pilot who glided a crippled jet to a safe landing off Portugal last week served nearly two years in U.S. prisons for drug trafficking, Montreal La Presse reported today.
The newspaper, citing a corrections spokesman for the state of Georgia, said Robert Piche was found guilty in Nov. 1983 of ``trafficking a quantity of marijuana weighing between 101 and
200 pounds."
The rest of the story is at torontostar.com
10-22-2024 | 12:15 AM
#194
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No major airline is going to intentionally hire someone with a felony conviction. It is possible to get a ATP with a felony conviction but it will require a explanation. Some felonies are permanently disqualifying.
I have no idea what your blue collar comment is about. Are you saying blue collar workers can have felonies so airline pilots should be the same?
I have no idea what your blue collar comment is about. Are you saying blue collar workers can have felonies so airline pilots should be the same?
The blue collar part meaning its a job where you, like MX and Ground, are (respectfully) a number so you dont exactly have to stand out. My question was more about the crew attitudes about this today versus how it was in the past.
Here's the beginning of the article. Some day I'll learn how to insert a URL.
Hero Transat pilot has drug trafficking record
Capt. Robert Piche jailed 2 years in U.S. in 1980s, newspaper says
MONTREAL (CP) — The Air Transat pilot who glided a crippled jet to a safe landing off Portugal last week served nearly two years in U.S. prisons for drug trafficking, Montreal La Presse reported today.
The newspaper, citing a corrections spokesman
for the state of Georgia, said Robert Piche was
found guilty in Nov. 1983 of ``trafficking a
quantity of marijuana weighing between 101 and
200 pounds."
The rest of the story is at torontostar.com
10-22-2024 | 12:18 AM
#196
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You can train and get rated for up to CPL.
For the atp, there's a nebulous "Good Moral Character" regulatory requirement, which might be a hangup depending on how many and how bad the crimes were.
But you'd also have to get an FAA medical, and they can and do deny that based on anti-social personality disorder if you have significant criminal history.
To even be eligible to work at essentially all airlines you need a SIDA clearance... that comes with it's own list of disqualifying crimes. Those are hard and fast, not waiverable to my knowledge, although for many of them the limitation only applies for 5 or 7 years after you finished your sentence.
After all of that the airlines, like any large employer, will conduct their own background checks and make an informed decision. Pretty much all felonies are a no-go, although a few people have gotten through with a DUI many years prior. You might possibly slip through with something like drugs or theft that happened when you were very young, if your life trajectory has obviously been on a great path for many years. Violent crimes are probably a no-go for life (assuming the airline finds out).
Ok so you got that far, one last hurdle: Canada. Almost all US airlines fly to Canada and you cannot go there if you have any felony record (including any DUI which is a felony up there). Only way around that is a diplomatic process to get a sort of waiver. That's commonly granted for DUI's but only after a certain number of years have passed. I don't know how they might feel about non-DUI felonies. There might still be one or two small US regionals which don't fly up North, so they might not care about Canada.
For the atp, there's a nebulous "Good Moral Character" regulatory requirement, which might be a hangup depending on how many and how bad the crimes were.
But you'd also have to get an FAA medical, and they can and do deny that based on anti-social personality disorder if you have significant criminal history.
To even be eligible to work at essentially all airlines you need a SIDA clearance... that comes with it's own list of disqualifying crimes. Those are hard and fast, not waiverable to my knowledge, although for many of them the limitation only applies for 5 or 7 years after you finished your sentence.
After all of that the airlines, like any large employer, will conduct their own background checks and make an informed decision. Pretty much all felonies are a no-go, although a few people have gotten through with a DUI many years prior. You might possibly slip through with something like drugs or theft that happened when you were very young, if your life trajectory has obviously been on a great path for many years. Violent crimes are probably a no-go for life (assuming the airline finds out).
Ok so you got that far, one last hurdle: Canada. Almost all US airlines fly to Canada and you cannot go there if you have any felony record (including any DUI which is a felony up there). Only way around that is a diplomatic process to get a sort of waiver. That's commonly granted for DUI's but only after a certain number of years have passed. I don't know how they might feel about non-DUI felonies. There might still be one or two small US regionals which don't fly up North, so they might not care about Canada.
Here's the beginning of the article. Some day I'll learn how to insert a URL.
Hero Transat pilot has drug trafficking record
Capt. Robert Piche jailed 2 years in U.S. in 1980s, newspaper says
MONTREAL (CP) — The Air Transat pilot who glided a crippled jet to a safe landing off Portugal last week served nearly two years in U.S. prisons for drug trafficking, Montreal La Presse reported today.
The newspaper, citing a corrections spokesman
for the state of Georgia, said Robert Piche was
found guilty in Nov. 1983 of ``trafficking a
quantity of marijuana weighing between 101 and
200 pounds."
The rest of the story is at torontostar.com
10-22-2024 | 05:27 AM
#197
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Call me crazy 😝 but I'll take a pilot with a few non violent felonies that can actually fly under duress vs one that can barely pass an AQP check ride with "clean record". Especially if I'm in the back. Just my opinion.
10-22-2024 | 05:40 AM
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10-22-2024 | 05:41 AM
#199
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It might be possible to head north on vacay and hope/assume that the mounties don't have any way of knowing about that DUI you got back in 1995 in Del Rio TX. Worst case they'll just send you back home on the next flight.
But it's a problem for airlines to knowingly send you to CA, knowing that you cannot legally enter. That could get the entire airline into hot water with the nice folks in Ottawa. The airlines pretty much will know about your convictions unless you both lied when hired and somehow it didn't get into the federal database (that could happen).
10-22-2024 | 05:50 AM
#200
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United used this rationale when they hired scabs in the 80’s. There were various low life’s with questionable backgrounds hired to try to break the strike. They failed, but the “little yellow book” had some pretty eye popping footnotes about some of the more notorious scabs. So yea, the company will most surely scrape the bottom of the barrel if they need to put butts in seats.
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