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12-31-2022 | 01:27 PM

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Bluedriver

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Paid by my the minute. Don't care much if it takes me 25 or 30 mins to get to cruise alt.

12-31-2022 | 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by symbian simian

Super looking forward to flying 223K# around on an A320 wing. Looking at green dot around 260kts below 10K' and recommended max alt around FL320? At MZFW + 5K# fuel still can't get above FL350 (that's at the end of the flight...). Big AB fan, honestly think this is as bad as the 10 MAX as far as stretching capabilities goes (no, not including MCAS). Should have made a A322. Air India A320 landing gear. More wing. Same cabin, Max Alt FL410. But that costs more money. Cheaper to just pour fuel into the fuselage to go further (https://airwaysmag.com/easa-faa-on-a...body-redesign/). Always short term profit over anything else.

Flew heavies for a few years and what you speak of regarding green dot below 10k was fairly typical on longer flights beyond around 12 hours in the triple 7 with a full boat. Min maneuvering clean speed (Boeing speak for green dot) was somewhere between 250-260, that’s when you would ask for high speed climb, bug 5 knots above that if that’s what makes you feel comfortable and go about your merry way. And yes our initial altitude would indeed be in the low 30s. Just a fact of flying a longer range heavier airliner….. you are a flying gas can. FOM will no doubt have to be “clarified”!

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12-31-2022 | 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hercretired

which means absolutely nothing. Green Dot is not some evil no-mans land. If you hit EXPED climb button, it climbs at, drum roll, green dot.

Not sure if "Airbuses" are pigs any more than "a fully loaded airliner is a pig".

Do a TOGA takeoff on a NEO with a lightly loaded airplane and it climbs like a scalded ape

I heard Deltas Airbuses burn a lot less…….it’s a weird phenomenon.

12-31-2022 | 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017

I heard Deltas Airbuses burn a lot less…….it’s a weird phenomenon.

But JetBlue pays a lot less for a gallon of gas… They make up for it by paying with culture!

12-31-2022 | 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CafeConLeche

This commonly happens on the 321. Fully loaded yesterday takeoff weight was a little over 200,000lbs. Cleaned up after departing cruising at 250kts below 10K we were 3knots above green dot. These airbuses are pigs. I can’t imagine the 321XLR.

Yup. MGTOW for XLR is 223K#, so add another 20K#, At about 1sts/5K# that will give you GD 251kts.

01-02-2023 | 08:47 AM

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Yup. MGTOW for XLR is 223K#, so add another 20K#, At about 1sts/5K# that will give you GD 251kts.

Theres nothing wrong with a green dot above 250 kts… that’s what you start seeing as routine when you start flying longer range heavier aircraft.

01-02-2023 | 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Desdi

Theres nothing wrong with a green dot above 250 kts… that’s what you start seeing as routine when you start flying longer range heavier aircraft.

He’s right, chewing up every foot of runway, slow climb, high energy for clean wing, flying halfway around the world at 290-300, block altitude to follow the optimal, all part of fueled up heavies.

My two qualms with a XLR are flying those routes at .76-.78 and having to do seat rest in the cabin.