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FriendlyPilot 03-09-2023 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 3604340)
“Jetblue pilots expect to get 300 widebodies by 2025.”

There… I just improved our chances in the SLI. Someone’s going to read that and decide Spirit deserves to get stapled at best.

All that matters is what’s on the property the day the merger CLOSES. That’s the ALPA standard. Since both airlines are NB airlines, this SLI will be a piece of cake. Pretty much relative seniority down the line (minor adjustment for longevity) with no fences. Way easier than the AS/VX merger, which was an easy merger.

Razzledazzle 03-09-2023 03:09 AM

They don’t need to merge certificates. Look at swa/at. It’ll become an asset acquisition through a holding company aka Guadalupe holdings. Jb doesn’t need 2 certificates to run one airline. This is all mayor Pete buffoonery. He’s getting slammed in the media for being a slacker, so now he has a better sound bite.

Flyby1206 03-09-2023 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by Razzledazzle (Post 3604668)
They don’t need to merge certificates. Look at swa/at. It’ll become an asset acquisition through a holding company aka Guadalupe holdings. Jb doesn’t need 2 certificates to run one airline. This is all mayor Pete buffoonery. He’s getting slammed in the media for being a slacker, so now he has a better sound bite.

Bingo. I don’t think the NK operating certificate brings anything unique (route authorities, areas of operation, etc) that JB doesn’t have or couldn’t acquire separately.

Forward lav 03-09-2023 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by Razzledazzle (Post 3604668)
They don’t need to merge certificates. Look at swa/at. It’ll become an asset acquisition through a holding company aka Guadalupe holdings. Jb doesn’t need 2 certificates to run one airline. This is all mayor Pete buffoonery. He’s getting slammed in the media for being a slacker, so now he has a better sound bite.

Even if there were two certificates, mayor Pete doesn’t have the legal authority to de facto deny a merger that has been ruled on by a court. I know we are all used to weaponized government by now but he’s a clown.

SlimBob 03-09-2023 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3604693)
Even if there were two certificates, mayor Pete doesn’t have the legal authority to de facto deny a merger that has been ruled on by a court. I know we are all used to weaponized government by now but he’s a clown.

Agreed. While it's a lengthy ordeal nowhere in the guidance does it say 'if your Administration doesn't like it you can block it at the DOT/FAA level.' A merger transition is spelled out in the guidance. For the nerds out there who wanna read up on it. 8900.1, V3, C34, S1.

Conquistador27 03-09-2023 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Forward lav (Post 3604693)
Even if there were two certificates, mayor Pete doesn’t have the legal authority to de facto deny a merger that has been ruled on by a court. I know we are all used to weaponized government by now but he’s a clown.

Unfortunately, he does. However it would go to the courts and the Supreme Court has been waiting for a case like this to unravel a couple other cases that I can’t remember off the top of my head. They would lose that fight.

flyingmonkeys 03-09-2023 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3605017)
Unfortunately, he does. However it would go to the courts and the Supreme Court has been waiting for a case like this to unravel a couple other cases that I can’t remember off the top of my head. They would lose that fight.

Who is they? The DOT will lose? God I hope you’re right.

Excargodog 03-09-2023 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3605017)
Unfortunately, he does. However it would go to the courts and the Supreme Court has been waiting for a case like this to unravel a couple other cases that I can’t remember off the top of my head. They would lose that fight.

What they are going after is the Chevron deferral doctrine since they want to rein in alphabet agencies deciding major issues without specific congressional guidance. Like a seasonal stream or mud puddle being a “navigable water.” They have decades of alphabet agency over reach they’d like to roll back.

https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/justice-...split-chevron/

Gators 03-21-2023 09:42 AM

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-...al-2023-03-21/

October trial date set

upup89 03-21-2023 10:53 AM

What happens if they don't meet the July 2024 deadline? Didn’t even know there was a deadline.


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