Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3616601)

Are you arguing against the "use it or lose it" provisions?

Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3616414)

Ahh but that’s not what you said…that’s up to the government, and that is why they are asking airlines to temporarily return their slots. Half the reason why you have those RJs running around is precisely because the government has a use it or lose it rule when it comes to slot allocations and retention….heck some airlines just throw an RJ on it and fly routes at a loss just to retain a slot (that’s why AA shifted a bunch of theirs to us, cause for yrs they couldn’t make money on them but the slot portfolio was a value in itself), capacity is not the driving factor sometimes.

These unintended inefficiencies are a direct result of stupid boneheaded bureaucratic policies and lack of planning….As is this ATC staffing shortage! As is the govt suing us for reducing capacity and competition then 2 weeks later asking us to reduce capacity and competition. I’m sure they’ll end up villainizing the airlines regardless to deflect blame from them this summer.

Don’t try to make sense of it!

Originally Posted by H60 DUSTOFF (Post 3616649)

Lets hire 87,000 new IRS agents and only 1500 new FAA employees! What a ****ing circus.

Originally Posted by ScrappyCocoa (Post 3616963)

Settle down, Tucker. That 87k is over a ten year period, btw.

Originally Posted by ScrappyCocoa (Post 3616963)

Settle down, Tucker. That 87k is over a ten year period, btw.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3617062)

oh well that makes it better.
I think the point is priorities ATC has known for awhile they will have staffing issues. Here we are.

Originally Posted by ScrappyCocoa (Post 3616963)

Settle down, Tucker. That 87k is over a ten year period, btw.

Originally Posted by Flyhayes (Post 3617088)

It's really more of a training issue. The FAA can only train roughly 1500 a year. That doesn't account for the significant washout rate at the academy. Once out of the academy, they have to train at their local facility, and there is a washout rate there as well. I doubt the FAA foresaw the amount of early outs they had during covid and wasn't prepared to replace them. Same thing is happening at the airlines.

Originally Posted by Flyhayes (Post 3617088)

It's really more of a training issue. The FAA can only train roughly 1500 a year. That doesn't account for the significant washout rate at the academy. Once out of the academy, they have to train at their local facility, and there is a washout rate there as well. I doubt the FAA foresaw the amount of early outs they had during covid and wasn't prepared to replace them. Same thing is happening at the airlines.