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03-28-2024, 05:21 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
the biggest lie I heard in that pocket session was saying that a full plane doesn’t mean it’ll make money. Really? So we are selling every seat for what? So we lose money? Isn’t it better to have a lighter plane at higher prices?
We are also capping flights that have never been capped for years. The plane gets full to the cap, so why limit the sale of more seats? Again in a flight that has never been capped. Something smells fishy.
We are also capping flights that have never been capped for years. The plane gets full to the cap, so why limit the sale of more seats? Again in a flight that has never been capped. Something smells fishy.
So for example if DL/UA/SW operate PHX-DEN and we want those customers and to be part of that market, then we gotta be there, even at a loss. So I could see the possibility of having a full plane that still isn't making money.
03-28-2024, 08:02 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
We are also capping flights that have never been capped for years. The plane gets full to the cap, so why limit the sale of more seats? Again in a flight that has never been capped. Something smells fishy.
Just my Opinion
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03-28-2024, 09:57 AM
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I don't buy the "too many people burns too much fuel" argument. We have 162 seats on a 320 and we're charging $200 a seat. Frontier has another 30 seats on the same aircraft and they're charging $80 a seat.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
03-28-2024, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I don't buy the "too many people burns too much fuel" argument. We have 162 seats on a 320 and we're charging $200 a seat. Frontier has another 30 seats on the same aircraft and they're charging $80 a seat.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
03-28-2024, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I don't buy the "too many people burns too much fuel" argument. We have 162 seats on a 320 and we're charging $200 a seat. Frontier has another 30 seats on the same aircraft and they're charging $80 a seat.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
That might be more of an issue for you guys and your larger LGA presence (shorter, more restrictive runways).
03-28-2024, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I don't buy the "too many people burns too much fuel" argument. We have 162 seats on a 320 and we're charging $200 a seat. Frontier has another 30 seats on the same aircraft and they're charging $80 a seat.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
Did not think of this, but then it goes down to Zero Fuel Weight. No Tvs, cardboard seats, allows them to reduce weight and charge low fares. Then make it back on various ancillary fees which some people will travel light just to save. Good arguments, definitely fishy on our side maybe even reducing seats to restrict supply?
03-28-2024, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
This is legit big picture stuff that I'm not a part of. I have to trust that the people in those departments know what they're doing. I/We just fly the things but my only guess to the first part is that you need to be in the market to make money eventually.
So for example if DL/UA/SW operate PHX-DEN and we want those customers and to be part of that market, then we gotta be there, even at a loss. So I could see the possibility of having a full plane that still isn't making money.
So for example if DL/UA/SW operate PHX-DEN and we want those customers and to be part of that market, then we gotta be there, even at a loss. So I could see the possibility of having a full plane that still isn't making money.
Didn’t he also say that Bogota has never made money. That was years and years. At what point do you give up one and not the other. I’m only get paid to fly the plane so I’m not trying to do anyone’s job. I’m just saying something seems off.
I may not have as much faith in some of those in certain departments here considering we still haven’t been able to be profitable.
03-28-2024, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
See DAL thread on Payload Optimization; I don’t buy the “lies” or “smells fishy” conspiracy theory…CAPS are happening over there as well; they (B6 Management) are just trying to run a profitable company, our job is to fly safely and help them run an on-time reliable operation.
Just my Opinion
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You don’t have to buy anything. There’s nothing to sell. A persons opinion saying they think something seems off doesn’t insinuate a theory. Not sure how long you’ve been in JetBlue but if a plane has never been capped, for many many years, and then one person buys shares and all of a sudden profitability is the focus and caps start happening. Did all the other investors like to lose money and only Icahn cares about making money? The same guy with the bad rap? There’s a possible conspiracy for you to buy or sell if you’d like.
03-28-2024, 05:13 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I don't buy the "too many people burns too much fuel" argument. We have 162 seats on a 320 and we're charging $200 a seat. Frontier has another 30 seats on the same aircraft and they're charging $80 a seat.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
If we're losing money putting 162 souls on that plane, Frontier must be losing money so much faster than we are. Is Frontier blocking 50 or 60 seats on their flights? Don't think so.
03-29-2024, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
I agree with you, but you don’t even have to look at other airlines. If B6 sells 151 seats and that’s enough to pay for the aircraft lease and labor and fuel and everything else (turn a profit), why would the next 11 seats sold not be enough to cover just the additional fuel to carry them? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
I agree. It doesn’t make sense at all. I also heard they were trying to limit supply of seats to raise prices but that doesn’t make any sense. If people are willing to purchase seats at a higher price with less seats available, why wouldn’t they buy those same seats at the same price on a flight that appears to have more seating open? People don’t look at a flight and say wow there’s so many open, I want a lower price.
Also why would they be selling seats at a price that isn’t enough to cover the cost of carrying that person? You could literally create a cap by setting a really high price. If someone decides to pay it, then great, you made a lot of money. If no one pays it, the seat is essentially capped.
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