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nuball5 04-03-2024 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Whica Flore (Post 3788383)
If you are on a fleet that is retiring then a trip to the schoolhouse or a change of base to keep your seat is inevitable. If you take a really junior spot somewhere and get displaced then that's the gamble. There is a reason a lot of folks bypass upgrade until they can hold a certain percent in base. If you really need CA pay then that is unfortunate as it forces your hand.

A lot bypass because they can make more in the right seat than the left with how things are constructed here. I don’t think a displacement to the right seat is going to cause many to struggle to pay the bills at $2xx/hour. If so….I'm guessing their lifestyle wasn’t sustainable on CA pay either. I guess everyone has their own story though.

AYLflyer 04-03-2024 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3788155)
Honestly I read your posts most of the time and agree with you 100%.

But we are parking the E190s, which has been the open plan for a long time. What do you want them to do with your E190CA seat?

Although, I do agree it's frustrating watching our peers have great careers (for now) while JB continues to give us the full Jetblue Affect.

Just venting frustration. I'm not on the 190, but I still may be losing the left seat to displacements. I know the E190s need to go away, but in a perfect world rather than shrink/displace, those guys would take open spots on other fleets. I'm just getting tired of having to worry about another displacement while others in the industry look forward to upgrades and new flying. Again, just frustrated is all.


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 3788206)
If you count the double-down JetBlue culture, you're still slightly ahead of your peers.

Not gonna lie, this made me laugh out loud.

avi8orco 04-03-2024 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3788396)
A lot bypass because they can make more in the right seat than the left with how things are constructed here. I don’t think a displacement to the right seat is going to cause many to struggle to pay the bills at $2xx/hour. If so….I'm guessing their lifestyle wasn’t sustainable on CA pay either. I guess everyone has their own story though.

This….at these pay rates it’s very easy to make in the right seat well more than a reserve captain or working some typical Jetblue redeye garbage line as a captain. I’m one of those holdouts too, top 15% in base and I pull what a captain working a reserve or even an 80hr line would make without really trying much, except I’m home at night, every night.

los74 04-03-2024 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 3788402)
This….at these pay rates it’s very easy to make in the right seat well more than a reserve captain or working some typical Jetblue redeye garbage line as a captain. I’m one of those holdouts too, top 15% in base and I pull what a captain working a reserve or even an 80hr line would make without really trying much, except I’m home at night, every night.

The question to be asked and answered is: with the airline shrinking, airplanes grounded for basically a year, delayed deliveries or no deliveries at all, where is the capacity to absorb displacements? Is everyone going to reserve status or furloughs are in the near future?

Flyby1206 04-03-2024 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 3788402)
This….at these pay rates it’s very easy to make in the right seat well more than a reserve captain or working some typical Jetblue redeye garbage line as a captain. I’m one of those holdouts too, top 15% in base and I pull what a captain working a reserve or even an 80hr line would make without really trying much, except I’m home at night, every night.

As a top seniority FO do you think the financial benefit is still there (broadly speaking) with reduced VDA opportunity? Have there been reductions in DFT with slowing of hiring? I’m wondering if we see some movement of top FOs to the left seat in the next few bids.

Flyby1206 04-03-2024 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by los74 (Post 3788435)
The question to be asked and answered is: with the airline shrinking, airplanes grounded for basically a year, delayed deliveries or no deliveries at all, where is the capacity to absorb displacements? Is everyone going to reserve status or furloughs are in the near future?

New bases perhaps?

Your name here 04-03-2024 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 3788402)
This….at these pay rates it’s very easy to make in the right seat well more than a reserve captain or working some typical Jetblue redeye garbage line as a captain. I’m one of those holdouts too, top 15% in base and I pull what a captain working a reserve or even an 80hr line would make without really trying much, except I’m home at night, every night.

Sooooo just so we’re painting a clear picture here. You’re home every night while having to get almost 120hrs of FO pay to make CA guarantee? if you’re home every night are you staring at FLICA, have software “help”, or down to a handful of days off? That’s a solid chunk of VDA to expect every month. Unless you’re getting 10Hr DH turns each day.

Whica Flore 04-03-2024 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by los74 (Post 3788435)
The question to be asked and answered is: with the airline shrinking, airplanes grounded for basically a year, delayed deliveries or no deliveries at all, where is the capacity to absorb displacements? Is everyone going to reserve status or furloughs are in the near future?

That is why we are doing VILs to start.....

Bluedriver 04-03-2024 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Your name here (Post 3788456)
Sooooo just so we’re painting a clear picture here. You’re home every night while having to get almost 120hrs of FO pay to make CA guarantee? if you’re home every night are you staring at FLICA, have software “help”, or down to a handful of days off? That’s a solid chunk of VDA to expect every month. Unless you’re getting 10Hr DH turns each day.

Agree, sure makes you wonder...

nuball5 04-03-2024 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Your name here (Post 3788456)
Sooooo just so we’re painting a clear picture here. You’re home every night while having to get almost 120hrs of FO pay to make CA guarantee? if you’re home every night are you staring at FLICA, have software “help”, or down to a handful of days off? That’s a solid chunk of VDA to expect every month. Unless you’re getting 10Hr DH turns each day.

I would double check your math on that one. Don’t want to speak for him, but if he’s a senior FO and knows how to use the CBA to his benefit, he probably hits 120 hours without much effort. He probably works less days and block than those who just do their trip and go home. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.) Contrary to what some think, it’s not a life of working 24 days a month and blocking 97 hours to get that credit value. I’ve had 120 hour months without VDA, it’s not all about the VDAs.


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