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DontCallMeCindy 04-04-2024 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3788636)
I'm thinking this has all taught the company that an annual system bid is a bad idea, and doesn't allow the staffing flexibility they need for unexpected situations.

Clearly they need more frequent bids, and more cowbell. I mean culture.

That reference just went over the head of the bottom 30% of the seniority list.

The question is whether the company’s cost savings of running quarterly bids instead would make up for the resultant mismatches in vacation allocations.

I’m guessing that, if someone went back and modeled it out retro to 2018, quarterly bids would have saved them lots and lots of money, even with our present vacation system.

Softpayman 04-04-2024 10:41 AM

Having not bid anything different in a system bid in years...what difference does it make as far as vacation goes?

Bluediver 04-04-2024 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 3788797)
Having not bid anything different in a system bid in years...what difference does it make as far as vacation goes?

Vacation is base and position specific. Under the old quarterly system if you bid a new base or position you lost your vacation if it was after your transfer. Much like the base trade system is today.

under the yearly system you bid for position and base and the company knows where you’ll be and we then a month later bid for vacation. You keep your vacation even if you’ll be moving around the system because they know you’re moving and you bid within the group you’ll be in at the time.

MinFlyer 04-04-2024 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3788636)
I'm thinking this has all taught the company that an annual system bid is a bad idea, and doesn't allow the staffing flexibility they need for unexpected situations.

Clearly they need more frequent bids, and more cowbell. I mean culture.

That reference just went over the head of the bottom 30% of the seniority list.

Yes!! At Skywest it was monthly bids, so no big deal whatsoever. The company gets a ton of flexibility and people can move around more regularly. Obviously you put some restrictions on it, so there aren't tons of extra training events, but once or twice a year is bad for all sides.

dreadFOroberts 04-04-2024 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3788636)

That reference just went over the head of the bottom 30% of the seniority list.

I assure you. It did not. :)

pilotpayne 04-04-2024 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3788801)
Vacation is base and position specific. Under the old quarterly system if you bid a new base or position you lost your vacation if it was after your transfer. Much like the base trade system is today.

under the yearly system you bid for position and base and the company knows where you’ll be and we then a month later bid for vacation. You keep your vacation even if you’ll be moving around the system because they know you’re moving and you bid within the group you’ll be in at the time.


well if they want it back I’m sure we can come up with something we want

RiddleEagle18 04-04-2024 03:46 PM

I’ve got a secret for you guys. It was ALPA who proposed and wanted the yearly bid.

Roy Biggins 04-04-2024 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3788922)
I’ve got a secret for you guys. It was ALPA who proposed and wanted the yearly bid.

Why would they do that? The same reason they wanted our atrocious reserve grid?

Bluedriver 04-04-2024 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3788922)
I’ve got a secret for you guys. It was ALPA who proposed and wanted the yearly bid.

They may have proposed it as a solution to the "lose your vacation" problem, but I wouldn't say they "wanted" it.

I think we need more frequent bids, but should also keep our vacation if we change base or seats.

Bluediver 04-04-2024 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3788935)
I wouldn't say they "wanted" it.

I think we need more frequent bids, but should also keep our vacation if we change base or seats.

Agree 100%


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