FLL 220
Yesterday | 07:42 AM
#61
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From: 320 CA
This morning both Ed Bastain(Delta) and Michael O’leary(Ryan Air Group) referenced scale, among other issues, as a factor as to why low cost carriers can’t survive. FLL is a feel good story but a financial savior? JFK is losing money and jetblue is losing ground to Delta in BOS.
https://crankyflier.com/2026/04/27/f...wins-the-race/
Yesterday | 07:52 AM
#62
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Agreed, very discouraging to see BOS and NYC market share in a long downtrend since Covid for JB
https://crankyflier.com/2026/04/27/f...wins-the-race/
https://crankyflier.com/2026/04/27/f...wins-the-race/
Yesterday | 08:28 AM
#63
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Last year passenger share shows jetblue was 27% compared to Deltas 22%, however, most recent data suggest delta now outpaces Jetblue for this full year and summer flying.
All this from a management that yelled from the mountain top how important BOS was.
That data is the difference between reality and jetblue spin.
All this from a management that yelled from the mountain top how important BOS was.
That data is the difference between reality and jetblue spin.
Yesterday | 08:40 AM
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That is insane…
We’re definitely on a downhill road at the moment.
we don’t have planes. We can’t fight 3 hub battles all at once. We may not even get the capacity in FLL that we want. I wonder if the FLL220 is going to be another premature effort that’ll get shut down when we get half the gates we want.
We’re definitely on a downhill road at the moment.
we don’t have planes. We can’t fight 3 hub battles all at once. We may not even get the capacity in FLL that we want. I wonder if the FLL220 is going to be another premature effort that’ll get shut down when we get half the gates we want.
Yesterday | 09:18 AM
#66
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That is insane…
We’re definitely on a downhill road at the moment.
we don’t have planes. We can’t fight 3 hub battles all at once. We may not even get the capacity in FLL that we want. I wonder if the FLL220 is going to be another premature effort that’ll get shut down when we get half the gates we want.
We’re definitely on a downhill road at the moment.
we don’t have planes. We can’t fight 3 hub battles all at once. We may not even get the capacity in FLL that we want. I wonder if the FLL220 is going to be another premature effort that’ll get shut down when we get half the gates we want.
jetblue 2019 27-28% to 2024 25.1%
delta 2019 23-24% to 2024 30.1%
Someone tell me how these BOS and JFK numbers will be offset by FLL numbers, how a seasonal FLL will drive revenue to offset BOS and JFK. I like stats and figures but clearly I’m not the smartest because I simply don’t see what most others do.
Yesterday | 09:46 AM
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For reference and to further underscore the incompetent nature of management at jetblue here are the numbers for JFK:
jetblue 2019 27-28% to 2024 25.1%
delta 2019 23-24% to 2024 30.1%
Someone tell me how these BOS and JFK numbers will be offset by FLL numbers, how a seasonal FLL will drive revenue to offset BOS and JFK. I like stats and figures but clearly I’m not the smartest because I simply don’t see what most others do.
jetblue 2019 27-28% to 2024 25.1%
delta 2019 23-24% to 2024 30.1%
Someone tell me how these BOS and JFK numbers will be offset by FLL numbers, how a seasonal FLL will drive revenue to offset BOS and JFK. I like stats and figures but clearly I’m not the smartest because I simply don’t see what most others do.
maybe we can turn the JFK lounge into a homeless shelter so they don’t have to sleep on the departures level
Yesterday | 10:43 AM
#68
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
See what mergers and super hubs get you. I’ll grant them our operation sucked and we lost focus. However Delta basically moved back into their own terminal while we built Boston gate by gate. They also have 170s which they just simply throw right on top of our flights. There are definitely some things in Deltas favor here and most of all this quote
Delta, the secret is having these dominant hubs where it can make a killing. It then invests that into trying to win in contested hubs. It has made remarkable strides over many years in LA, New York, and most recently Boston. But Seattle continues to be a vexxing situation.
Yesterday | 01:23 PM
#70
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an almost bankrupt company that can’t afford additional airframes to grow let alone a bigger ops center. This is a mere re-shuffling of the deck and something tells me we will retreat as soon as more competition shows up like we always do.
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