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rickair7777 10-25-2024 08:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous2092 (Post 3847436)
I've been saying this since Elliot got their hands on WN. It would make perfect sense for them to be able to get into the europe/carribean market, get Airbus order slots (320, and 220), bake "mini mint" into their newer 73's on certain routes to test out the demand, and or move B6's mint product to some routes that they know would have demand for premium products short term. I think B6 has everything they need.
Maybe someday, right now their management team is a clown car trying to fend off a hostile takeover of the BOD.

AYLflyer 10-25-2024 10:02 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3847444)
I agree, but might need RJ feed to bring in the low density market in places like that.
Hard no. There's a reason I want nothing to do with AK and it's because of how many RJs they use. Lots of Skywest 175s doing flights that should be Alaska metal with Alaska pilots.

I've wanted an HA/B6 merger since the day I got here. Asia/Pacific/West Coast access and we can give East Coast and Europe access. We have the planes domestically, they have the heavies for longer haul.

Bgood 10-25-2024 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by PineappleXpres (Post 3847440)
HNL, ANC, SEA, PDX, LAX (both), FLL/MCO, BOS/JFK, SJU/EWR, for a combined network carrier hub couldn’t even try and establish 1 (dare I say 2) hub in between? What is the economic mountain that makes that unfeasible? ORD, AUS, CVG, MCI, STL all seem feasible.
NOW your list is complete. ;)

Bgood 10-25-2024 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3847445)
Maybe someday, right now their management team is a clown car trying to fend off a hostile takeover of the BOD.
If an ASB6 happened yesterday and the surviving entity is AS, does anyone think AS mgmt would have the same mantra of ALL BOEING and parking over 300 B6 Airbus like they did with VA? I don't think so since that would be massive and quite crazy but still want to hear other opinions

How about east coast base closures?
Just hypotheticals.

Bgood 10-25-2024 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous2092 (Post 3847436)
I've been saying this since Elliot got their hands on WN. It would make perfect sense for them to be able to get into the europe/carribean market, get Airbus order slots (320, and 220), bake "mini mint" into their newer 73's on certain routes to test out the demand, and or move B6's mint product to some routes that they know would have demand for premium products short term. I think B6 has everything they need.
How does the overlap look for B6WN routes?

Flyby1206 10-25-2024 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3847483)
How does the overlap look for B6WN routes?
Very minimal. B6 does lots of longer stage lengths and NE concentration. Two things SWA doesn’t focus on

Flyby1206 10-25-2024 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3847481)
If an ASB6 happened yesterday and the surviving entity is AS, does anyone think AS mgmt would have the same mantra of ALL BOEING and parking over 300 B6 Airbus like they did with VA? I don't think so since that would be massive and quite crazy but still want to hear other opinions

How about east coast base closures?
Just hypotheticals.
At that large of an airline it really becomes a risk to have 100% in one fleet. I think a 50/50 mix makes sense. Yes, SWA does it but I think that’s borderline crazy too.

Base closures? I think EWR, SJU and maybe MCO would go away and turn them into just large outstations

Also since we’re tossing around crazy ideas let’s not forget the B word. No, not bankruptcy… Breeze

Bgood 10-25-2024 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3847492)
At that large of an airline it really becomes a risk to have 100% in one fleet. I think a 50/50 mix makes sense. Yes, SWA does it but I think that’s borderline crazy too.

Base closures? I think EWR, SJU and maybe MCO would go away and turn them into just large outstations

Also since we’re tossing around crazy ideas let’s not forget the B word. No, not bankruptcy… Breeze
hmmm....how does Breeze get into the mix?

PineappleXpres 10-25-2024 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3847444)
I agree, but might need RJ feed to bring in the low density market in places like that.
Yes, Horizon. I understand your point, but I don’t understand the reluctance of either carrier stand alone or combined being afraid of starting a base geographically further from their fortress hubs when they already fly in said directions. Alaska flies east of Cali and JetBlue flies west of the Mississippi.

Flyby1206 10-25-2024 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3847501)
hmmm....how does Breeze get into the mix?
In a year or so we’ve hopefully shown some profits and are ready to grow again. Breeze in the meantime has run out of cash and their hedge fund backers want to get paid. JB buys Breeze, touts the redemption arc for Neeleman returning to JB to invigorate the company and help rebuild our *barf* culture *barf* while he sits on the BOD.

We get a load of 220s, keep some of their smaller bases, expand along the east coast to secondary cities. JB has good brand recognition in most of the Breeze hubs already, but little variety/frequency of service


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