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Old 01-04-2006 | 05:12 PM
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Well, after reading all this stuff on the message board about B6, I'm now convinced that I shouldn't have come to work here. I now agree that this is a crappy company and that we all have become brainwashed into thinking this was a good job, even though most of us were ALPA or some other "union". We instantly forgot about what "TRUE BROTHERHOOD" is as soon as we were furloughed. I should have taken the job as a new hire at Eagle, or Trans States, or ASA, or Indy Air. That way I wouldn't be single handedly bringing down the industry. When furloughed, I should have had the foresight to just go get hired at FedEx or UPS, it's just that easy and simple. Or maybe I should have done something respectable, like take a job flying checks at night in a baron, or gone overseas to try to find work, or just laid down and died after my furlough. I'd be dead but at least I wouldn't offend KillBill by just working.
From now on, I vow to PIZZ and moan at work, and especially on these message boards where the real special men of aviation are. I promise to do my job half azzed. That is until we go belly up. Someone said we will be gone within three years. Even told me to "mark it down". (Note to self, I will be unemployed within three year, AGAIN, got it). Maybe by that time, there will be an official list out there that will be mailed to me after my furlough that says:
"Dear Stewart, we are sorry to hear that you are once again without employment and unable to support your wife and three kids. Please take note of the following jobs that will be acceptable for you to take to support them that will not affect me or my family.
1. UPS
2. FedEx
3. SWA
4. Guy who leads the ponies at the county fair.
5. Guy who adjusts the regulators on the O2 for SCUBA divers.
6. Guy who says "LET'S GET READY TO RUMMMMBBBLLLLEE!" at boxing matches
7. Some lame -azzed ,fecal for gray matter guy that constantly whines on a message board for pilots about how others are bringing down the profession.
(Although this is a non-paying job)

Once again, sorry to hear about your impending unemployment.

Sincerely,

Us guys that didn't get furloughed."


Now I will go slam my thumbs in my car door for an hour to remind myself what an idiot I have become.
Thanks to all of you for making me "see the light"
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Old 01-04-2006 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by diamonddd
Well, after reading all this stuff on the message board about B6, I'm now convinced that I shouldn't have come to work here. I now agree that this is a crappy company and that we all have become brainwashed into thinking this was a good job, even though most of us were ALPA or some other "union". We instantly forgot about what "TRUE BROTHERHOOD" is as soon as we were furloughed. I should have taken the job as a new hire at Eagle, or Trans States, or ASA, or Indy Air. That way I wouldn't be single handedly bringing down the industry. When furloughed, I should have had the foresight to just go get hired at FedEx or UPS, it's just that easy and simple. Or maybe I should have done something respectable, like take a job flying checks at night in a baron, or gone overseas to try to find work, or just laid down and died after my furlough. I'd be dead but at least I wouldn't offend KillBill by just working.
From now on, I vow to PIZZ and moan at work, and especially on these message boards where the real special men of aviation are. I promise to do my job half azzed. That is until we go belly up. Someone said we will be gone within three years. Even told me to "mark it down". (Note to self, I will be unemployed within three year, AGAIN, got it). Maybe by that time, there will be an official list out there that will be mailed to me after my furlough that says:
"Dear Stewart, we are sorry to hear that you are once again without employment and unable to support your wife and three kids. Please take note of the following jobs that will be acceptable for you to take to support them that will not affect me or my family.
1. UPS
2. FedEx
3. SWA
4. Guy who leads the ponies at the county fair.
5. Guy who adjusts the regulators on the O2 for SCUBA divers.
6. Guy who says "LET'S GET READY TO RUMMMMBBBLLLLEE!" at boxing matches
7. Some lame -azzed ,fecal for gray matter guy that constantly whines on a message board for pilots about how others are bringing down the profession.
(Although this is a non-paying job)

Once again, sorry to hear about your impending unemployment.

Sincerely,

Us guys that didn't get furloughed."


Now I will go slam my thumbs in my car door for an hour to remind myself what an idiot I have become.
Thanks to all of you for making me "see the light"
Not that is funny! Well said bro.
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Old 01-05-2006 | 06:45 AM
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i guess the point i'm trying to make is that, whether you like it or not, the 5-year contract IS a sword hanging over your necks. it may "renew" all by itself today, but what's the point of having a 5 year deal if it's not to have the ability to pull the plug on you guys and not leave you any way to fight it? are you guys REALLY comfortable making less AND having to be good boys so your "career" can be "renewed" 5 years at a time?

that was my point about JB being a religion; you guys think what you're getting is good; it's not AND it has helped lower the bar for the rest of us.

what if JB only offered 1-year contracts? would that still be a good thing as long as it "renewed" every year?
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:00 AM
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what if JB only offered 1-year contracts? would that still be a good thing as long as it "renewed" every year?



KB,

IMHO, Yes. JB would have no problem finding applicants...I remember from my student pilot days...The appeal to be an airline pilot is very strong...I felt it many times...Airline pilot is one of the most prestegious jobs in the world.


However strong the appeal, I'm happy being a military officer.

-LA
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kill Bill
i guess the point i'm trying to make is that, whether you like it or not, the 5-year contract IS a sword hanging over your necks. it may "renew" all by itself today, but what's the point of having a 5 year deal if it's not to have the ability to pull the plug on you guys and not leave you any way to fight it? are you guys REALLY comfortable making less AND having to be good boys so your "career" can be "renewed" 5 years at a time?

that was my point about JB being a religion; you guys think what you're getting is good; it's not AND it has helped lower the bar for the rest of us.

what if JB only offered 1-year contracts? would that still be a good thing as long as it "renewed" every year?

Lower the bar? What did you call it when CAL pilots bent over for the 900th time without a fight?
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
JB would have no problem finding applicants...
there is a gigantic difference between having "no problem finding applicants" and being a good thing. JB pilots are disposable and they not only don't find that objectionable, they seem to think it's a good thing.

and if i've never thanked you for your service to america, please accept it now.
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Baba Bluey
Lower the bar? What did you call that when then CAL pilots bent over for the 900th time without a fight?
lowering the bar. not that it matters now but i haven't yet voted FOR any contract i've worked under at CO. this is an industry-wide fight we're in and i haven't singled-out JB. you guys are just a little more egregious than most of the rest.
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kill Bill
lowering the bar. not that it matters now but i haven't yet voted FOR any contract i've worked under at CO. this is an industry-wide fight we're in and i haven't singled-out JB. you guys are just a little more egregious than most of the rest.

So I guess I'm justified in calling out your company as well? And when that idiotic prick from Alaska gets his way and has asian pilots hauling cargo in this country, we can call out the UPS and FedEx pilots for finally destroying what little we had?

There are many problems in this country. A company who delivers a product its customers want is not one of them.
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SitBackRelax
Plus I can't figure out what it is you're trying to accomplish here --

Convince JB folks who enjoy their job that we're deluded, are actually miserable, and wouldn't be happier unless we had more money? (so that you could have more money...)

Convince us that we should be miserable, if we aren't, because more money is the only thing that's important?

Convince us to start an uprising?

Do you see how silly that sounds?

P.S. The "5 year contract" thing AGAIN?? For anyone who ever wondered why JB folks bristle at questions over the contract, there's your reason.
What aim I trying to accomplish??

Well partly to bust your ba**s

Mainly to get you to think, defend, debate your position, effect, and future in the greater cause of airline flying.
If you guy's weren't so cocky about, what?? Setting the standard for airlines and their flight crews to emulate?? Not!
At least the SWA pilots, god bless them, are improving thier lot, maybe not in the way some (in the cockpit or riding in the back) would like, but, for better or worse, they are partners to their future not just being told what it is.
You've been in business long enough that you and your colleiges should be taking greater control of your destiny. Before you jump on the "ALPA Hate wagan", go another direction, just, do something!!
You don't see Airtain catching sh** and thier package also sucks, but at least they are players in deciding their destiny.

Have a good day

BTW if you write cockpit with a hyphen big, (forum) brother does this ****-pit
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Old 01-05-2006 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by diamonddd
Well, after reading all this stuff on the message board about B6, I'm now convinced that I shouldn't have come to work here. I now agree that this is a crappy company and that we all have become brainwashed into thinking this was a good job, even though most of us were ALPA or some other "union". We instantly forgot about what "TRUE BROTHERHOOD" is as soon as we were furloughed. .........................

Now I will go slam my thumbs in my car door for an hour to remind myself what an idiot I have become.
Thanks to all of you for making me "see the light"
Hey at least you still have your sense of humor
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