Baba Bluey

And the chest beating about how much he made at FedEx in 3...2...1...

dckozak

I'm curious about your profit sharing, is it related to the stock you get?? How does that work??
............And what's wrong with averaging $100/hour?..............
Nothing, how about $50 an hour?? why noy $25?? If you work enough hours $25 is a great deal Lets see, every hour over 70 at $37.50, wow you could be making real money.
The point is, pilots did make more, consideribly more before, and now they don't. Trust me, if you think what you make is good, than someone will test the water's to see at what point you still..........."dive in"

Just remember your not making $100,000 + because of your great looks, landing ability or modest ego's Your making it because an ALPA pilot was willing (and paid to) to help set the standard you guys are helping to undermine.

dckozak

I'll leave it to you guy's to boast to your buddies how much you make. I'v seen the boasting on this forum. I'm waiting for the Fo's to boast about making, "over fifty dollars an hour!!!

captain_drew

Opps!! What is that ‘flushing’ sound? Someone didn’t tell the ‘Analysts’ on Wall Street (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=JBLU) that you guys are depending on this as part of your low rent airline ‘package’. NOW the stock is whirling around in the toilet vortex . . . just like industry wages, which you have significantly helped to drag down.

Yeah. . a damn NYC bus driver makes that too! You people are pitiful, in HOW ‘needy’ you are. I know flying is fun, but the investment one makes to get into an airline seat is CERTAINLY worth more than a damn transit worker‘s take home! Have you no pride?!
Look before you leap. The pool is almost empty!

Baba Bluey

Where is your self-righteous indignation at the pay rates of Kalitta pilots? Or Polar? Atlas?

After all the economic and tragic circumstances that have beset this industry, you somehow come to the conclusion that one airline is the root of all of it's problems. Brilliant.

And by the way, I've seen plenty of bragging from a FEW UPS and FedEx pilots and their newfound industry-leading pay status. I wouldnt brag too much, there's a whole slew of MBA's in MEM working on the "greedy FedEx pilot" problem as well.

Savannahguy

I do not mean to come across as a wet towel, but it might be a good time to look at the "big picture" in terms of this issue, and not just focus merely upon pay.

You see the thing about the E-170, and now E-190 pay rates being so low is that there has been a tradeoff made by the pilot groups accepting these pay scales (US Airways and jetBlue) to enable them to remain competitive.

I am not just talking about competitive just in terms of other airlines, but competitive in terms of maintaining this flying in house, and flown by your own pilots.

Some might bash jetBlue's E-190 rates, but in my opinion it is a far better thing for both jetBlue, and it's pilots that this growth remained at jetBlue (and not a jetBlue Express or jetBlue connection). Keeping the E-190's on the property means that jetBlue retains control over the product, retains all of the revenue produced, and increases shareholder value. It is obvious what opportunities E-190 growth offers to the jetBlue pilots...

Compare that with the possibility of all that E-190 flying having been farmed out instead.

IMO it is a better thing to have lower pay (and maintain that flying), rather than no pay (because someone else is flying the aircraft for you).

Baba Bluey

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dckozak

You should be flattered I pick on you and not the Kalitta pilots. YOU and YOUR bud's are the ones (IMHO) that are (currently) driving the pay and benefits to there current levels. You should be flattered that YOU are have such a negitive effect on all pilot pay and QOL issues, your own included.
If I were you I'd point to pride how I am party to bring pilot compensation down to the level it is. Your help in lowering seat costs on the E-190 will truly be a big help in making this profession one that my kids (hopefully not) will look forward to. Brilliant

dckozak

Your point is well taking. I think pilot groups (in the past) have hosed themselves by not keeping the flying in house. When commuters were flying receip prop planes with 10 seats or less, no self respecting airline pilot would expect (respect??) a pilot on his seniorty list flying a GA airplane. Now the prop is an jet with 100+ seats flown by the same "contract" pilots that one cares flew a Navaho. Well we have all come sow what we reap.

Still your pay on the E-190 sucks!!!

LAfrequentflyer

I don't see how JB pilots are setting the low standard in pay / QOL for the rest of the industry.

Doesn't ALPA and their dues paying members set the pay / QOL at ALPA represented airlines?


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LA