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Old 05-20-2018, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Wkdpssa View Post
I know I’m taking a huge risk of stirring up a hornets nest by resurrecting this thread but here goes. My son was just offered a June class date for the Gateway Select program. As a proud father (and SWA captain) I’m a little nervous about how he’ll be received by the pilot group having ‘jumped’ directly to the right seat if/when he completes this program. I am hesitant but it is his choice. Without starting a new thread on JB pilot’s feeling with the recent AIP I have to say I’m less hesitant. I’ve really enjoyed talking to all the JB pilots that have ridden on my jumpseat and believe y’all have a great product but Papa needs to hear the honest truth. Thanks in advance.
Pilots will always complain about how a company hires new pilots.

You as a pilot can impress upon him the importance of the union etc. the training pipeline will ensure he meets a minimum standard. Airline training isn’t impossible for most folks. It’s not always easy, but isn’t impossible...

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Pretty soon AA/DAL/UAL, etc. will be forced to HIRE off the street, pay for ALL your training, and pay you to be trained! Just like the military...

If you don't want to wait that long, then get your training somewhere else, it will cost about half as much. AA has a program where they will help you with some of the costs, then take you into Envoy/PSA/Piedmont where they have direct flow thru to AA.
I’m going to counter this advice... as long as cost isn’t an option it’s worth taking the known option (acceptance to the program), vs passing up an opportunity to wait around for something that might happen (AA moves only slightly quicker than the Govt on stuff).

Going the AA pipeline to a WO to flow through to AA and your son is looking at 8-12 years before he’s a NH FO at Mainline depending on which AA regional he goes to. In that time there’s a decent chance he’ll be a Captain at JetBlue and/or have gone some place else by then.

Take what you/he know. JB life is definitely better than life at a regional according to everyone I’ve ever met whose done both...
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Buy an IFR C152, find an instructor and bust through most all your training minus the limited time you would have to spend in a complex for your commercial. Then sell the plane at a huge bargain if you want to get rid of the plane quick (keeping in mind how much you might have spent on maintenance along the way) and you will make out spending less than half what this or any other program like it costs.

8gph @ $6.50 for 300hrs is $15,900 spent on fuel

200 hours with a freelance instructor at $40/hr is $8000
(My guess is that 200 hours should cover flight and ground school if you study hard at home)

Now freelance in your plane..... or just sell it $10,000 marked down from what you got it at and get a job cfi’ing to build the rest of your time while gaining some valuable experience.

Congratulations you just spent about 50k for all your training when you add in ramp fees, complex aircraft time, 100hr inspections, and insurance. It would probably cost less honestly.

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Originally Posted by Wkdpssa View Post
I know I’m taking a huge risk of stirring up a hornets nest by resurrecting this thread but here goes. My son was just offered a June class date for the Gateway Select program. As a proud father (and SWA captain) I’m a little nervous about how he’ll be received by the pilot group having ‘jumped’ directly to the right seat if/when he completes this program. I am hesitant but it is his choice. Without starting a new thread on JB pilot’s feeling with the recent AIP I have to say I’m less hesitant. I’ve really enjoyed talking to all the JB pilots that have ridden on my jumpseat and believe y’all have a great product but Papa needs to hear the honest truth. Thanks in advance.
He will not be a welcome addition in my flight deck. His opinions will mean little as he lacks the experience gained by years of flying and fighting for the major airline job. Your son is picking the easy way, and that wont make it an enjoyable career
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Old 05-20-2018, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wkdpssa View Post
I know I’m taking a huge risk of stirring up a hornets nest by resurrecting this thread but here goes. My son was just offered a June class date for the Gateway Select program. As a proud father (and SWA captain) I’m a little nervous about how he’ll be received by the pilot group having ‘jumped’ directly to the right seat if/when he completes this program. I am hesitant but it is his choice. Without starting a new thread on JB pilot’s feeling with the recent AIP I have to say I’m less hesitant. I’ve really enjoyed talking to all the JB pilots that have ridden on my jumpseat and believe y’all have a great product but Papa needs to hear the honest truth. Thanks in advance.
Let me ask you this... how would he be received on your flight deck? Ask your captain friends and F/O's how they would receive him.

He will be looked down upon and may feel he has to prove himself, which could be dangerous.

Ask your friends at United how the quota hires were accepted. That being said, if I were a low-time quota type at United back in the day i would have jumped at the chance. I know plenty of these types who jumped the line and it really irks me, especially considering that I lost my job there and they didn't.

If he can live with the consequences of jumping the line, then go for it. Truth is that he will have much more experience than any of the 500 hour wonder boys and girls who were hired at United from about '89-'96.

In my cockpit respect is earned, not granted due to a resume. I've flown with crappy military, former 121, etc... I've also flown with some pretty good Cape Air pilots (and crappy ones too).

If he can be humble and accept criticism, go for it.

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Old 05-20-2018, 04:27 AM
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He will not be a welcome addition in my flight deck. His opinions will mean little as he lacks the experience gained by years of flying and fighting for the major airline job. Your son is picking the easy way, and that wont make it an enjoyable career
CRM.........
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Wkdpssa View Post
I know I’m taking a huge risk of stirring up a hornets nest by resurrecting this thread but here goes. My son was just offered a June class date for the Gateway Select program. As a proud father (and SWA captain) I’m a little nervous about how he’ll be received by the pilot group having ‘jumped’ directly to the right seat if/when he completes this program. I am hesitant but it is his choice. Without starting a new thread on JB pilot’s feeling with the recent AIP I have to say I’m less hesitant. I’ve really enjoyed talking to all the JB pilots that have ridden on my jumpseat and believe y’all have a great product but Papa needs to hear the honest truth. Thanks in advance.
I would ask....what’s the hurry? Tell him to get a degree (non aviation....online if necessary) while flight training. Be VERY picky about which regional he ALLOWS to hire him, and upgrade there. (It will be fast) he can join you at SWA or go to the big 3when hiring gets really robust. Working for a goal is valuable. Work shouldn’t be a 4 letter word.

This program is too much money with too many unknowns. Including interest the real cost is north of 250,000. He wouldn’t pay it off for decades. It capitalizes on the millennial stereotype of I WANT IT NOW. I think he will be treated as such by some pilots. It is a program founded in case the nuclear option is the only option left. (Ie no more fools applying at jetblue)

I have a friend at SWA who is mentoring his nephew. I am AMAZED at his progress. He got his private a couple years ago and he just upgraded at a regional. I’ve been doing this for 18 years (lost decade in left seat of an RJ) and he seems awefully close behind me (and will probably get hired at SWA Or Delta in the next year or so. I don’t think 4 years is too slow.

Does he think that?
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:15 AM
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Another thing to consider... what happens if we get bought out or merged? What assurances does be have that his $125k will get him a job at the new company?

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Another thing to consider... what happens if we get bought out or merged? What assurances does be have that his $125k will get him a job at the new company?

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I have a friend who lost 50,000+ to this company. So, it has happened more than once.

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I wanted to ask what everyone’s opinion on the other gateways in context of the OP question? I don’t know much about them other than from the gateway website but it looks like the University Gateway is a legit path that many have taken outside of the gateway program anyway.

It looks like it’s: 4 year Aviation Degree. 141 flight training. Work as CFI at said Uni. Cape Air And/or Expressjet.

Same for the transfer and transition. You must go out on your own and get your time in the real 135 or 121 world first. And than it’s simply a guarantee interview - not guaranteed job.

Is the opinion out there of the other more traditional path gateways the same as Select as the last 4 pages indicate or is the Select just a completely seperate animal?

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Old 05-20-2018, 03:25 PM
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I don’t know that there is anything similar to this program in the US.

Some of the other programs mentioned in this thread are flows or guaranteed interviews.
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