Selected into JetBlue's ab initio program
04-10-2016, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by expectholding
This shows that you don't get it.
I agree with that statement. Getting the plane on the ground is one thing. Gear up landings don't come around too often, but it is how you handle yourself and your crew and customers that make the difference.
Handling any type of emergency requires experience, CRM, focus, etc. I can't visualize airline newbies handling this situation to well or any IROPs. Although the CA is ultimately responsible, have an experienced FO is invaluable in situations like this.
04-10-2016, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ZipZap
Meanwhile pilots looking to get into majors seems to be working at a regional for anywhere between 5-10 years (or more??), while making middling wages and hoping to one day get a call from a major. And, oh yeah, your skills are really not transferable to any other industry.
If you can't spin the tenets of CRM into something useful outside of aviation then you aren't trying very hard.
This is akin to saying that the infantry(person) in the military doesn't bring any transferrable skills to the civilian world; yet *most* employers recognize that associated skills with the military are in fact highly desired. Though aviation might not be as well known, that is YOUR job when writing/polishing your resume to highlights and translate those skills into skills your targeted employer desires.
04-10-2016, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mobiusixi
Also accepted into this program. I am not trolling, what would be the point?
My confusion lies with the, "You didn't spend 10 years at a regional, so you won't have the experience".
In my early days when I was trying to get my private pilots licence right out of high school. I worked as a fueler for United's contractor as I knew it was the best way into the cockpit and talk with pilots. I fueled thousands of United express ERJs and others.
I always imagined at the time these pilots had years of experience but I was surprised early on to learn most of them were put behind the controls of these planes with 250 hours or a hair above.
My point being I suppose, they didn't get replaced with more experienced pilots when the crosswinds we're gusting at 30 knots or when an engine faluire occured.
Why can't I, assuming I pass the course, be the SIC on an E190 at 1500 hours?
The devaluing of pilots may hold true, but the expirence thing throws me for a loop.
Please understand, I'm not at all trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand at least this aspect of the aggression towards this program.
My confusion lies with the, "You didn't spend 10 years at a regional, so you won't have the experience".
In my early days when I was trying to get my private pilots licence right out of high school. I worked as a fueler for United's contractor as I knew it was the best way into the cockpit and talk with pilots. I fueled thousands of United express ERJs and others.
I always imagined at the time these pilots had years of experience but I was surprised early on to learn most of them were put behind the controls of these planes with 250 hours or a hair above.
My point being I suppose, they didn't get replaced with more experienced pilots when the crosswinds we're gusting at 30 knots or when an engine faluire occured.
Why can't I, assuming I pass the course, be the SIC on an E190 at 1500 hours?
The devaluing of pilots may hold true, but the expirence thing throws me for a loop.
Please understand, I'm not at all trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand at least this aspect of the aggression towards this program.
04-10-2016, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Because 1500 hours is 1/3 to 1/4 the starting experience level that currently sits in JetBlue cockpits. We are a major airline, not a training ground for apprentices, and I expect the person to my right to be a fully qualified professional with a few years of decision making under his belt, not a newbie who was flying a Diamond twin last week. If ALPA doesn't manage to squash this expect to be doing a lot of walk arounds and radio calls. You'll be great at moving the gear and flap handles in no time. The 250-hour regional FO phenomenon was an anomaly in our industry which does not need to be extrapolated to the major airline level.
So the danger/unprofessionalism (that is what I'm gathering from the posts) is acceptable there?
This would be a monumental shift for the airlines. From what I gather programs like this would hopefully eliminate the high sodium sleep deprived crashpads if the other airlines follow suit, and from what I've been reading, they are planning to. The regional pilot lifestyle could go the way of the flight engineer. Maybe that's a consequence (though possibly unintended) of programs like these.
Again, not trying to be a jerk. Trying to understand. I'm not in the aviation industry and like the other person in this thread I also have an imbeded career and I am leaning away from doing this.
04-10-2016, 09:10 PM
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Do u have to pay up front????
I was ab-initio. Most of us went right seat at about 200 or so hours. Great accident record. More dangerous flying than airlines. Hard to get into the program. No money up front. I didn't have the money to pay for my licenses...
I was ab-initio. Most of us went right seat at about 200 or so hours. Great accident record. More dangerous flying than airlines. Hard to get into the program. No money up front. I didn't have the money to pay for my licenses...
04-11-2016, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Do u have to pay up front????
I was ab-initio. Most of us went right seat at about 200 or so hours. Great accident record. More dangerous flying than airlines. Hard to get into the program. No money up front. I didn't have the money to pay for my licenses...
I was ab-initio. Most of us went right seat at about 200 or so hours. Great accident record. More dangerous flying than airlines. Hard to get into the program. No money up front. I didn't have the money to pay for my licenses...
04-11-2016, 05:20 AM
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Just make them wear patches on their leather jackets like nascar drivers. Put all the patches on for who sponsored your 150k. Parents, loan companies, banks, jetblue etc. If you are going to buy your way into a seat you may as well advertise who you have to thank Nothing got you into that seat aside of money and an ability to pass basic flight training requirements.
edit to add: I'm not buying your beer just because you have a $1000/month loan payment.
edit to add: I'm not buying your beer just because you have a $1000/month loan payment.
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