Blue-Gloved Nonrev Juicers
03-22-2017, 01:26 PM
#241
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
No they built the lodge.
If they have a policy of no visitors in your room since they run the hotel and pay the insurance how do you do it for one group and not the others.
Not saying I love the lodge but the only way to get around that is to have pilots stay at another hotel (not a bad idea)
Remember just like our SOPs everything is built for the lowest common denominator, just like that non rev video. I don't think it was an aimed at only the pilots.
With that said Delta has that nice dinner for family and we really should do that here.
If they have a policy of no visitors in your room since they run the hotel and pay the insurance how do you do it for one group and not the others.
Not saying I love the lodge but the only way to get around that is to have pilots stay at another hotel (not a bad idea)
Remember just like our SOPs everything is built for the lowest common denominator, just like that non rev video. I don't think it was an aimed at only the pilots.
With that said Delta has that nice dinner for family and we really should do that here.
Last edited by aewanabe; 03-22-2017 at 01:37 PM.
03-22-2017, 01:36 PM
#242
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Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
No they built the lodge.
If they have a policy of no visitors in your room since they run the hotel and pay the insurance how do you do it for one group and not the others.
Not saying I love the lodge but the only way to get around that is to have pilots stay at another hotel (not a bad idea)
Remember just like our SOPs everything is built for the lowest common denominator, just like that non rev video. I don't think it was an aimed at only the pilots.
With that said Delta has that nice dinner for family and we really should do that here.
If they have a policy of no visitors in your room since they run the hotel and pay the insurance how do you do it for one group and not the others.
Not saying I love the lodge but the only way to get around that is to have pilots stay at another hotel (not a bad idea)
Remember just like our SOPs everything is built for the lowest common denominator, just like that non rev video. I don't think it was an aimed at only the pilots.
With that said Delta has that nice dinner for family and we really should do that here.
03-22-2017, 02:06 PM
#243
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Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by aewanabe
Good God man, stop finding a way to justify every garbage move this company makes. Please. I DGAF what stupid policy is aimed at the min-wage AO and GO, it is NOT ok to apply that to our work group because management is too stinkin inept to differentiate.
Really? Okay, how would you apply a rule to one group and not another? Just curious.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
03-22-2017, 02:22 PM
#244
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Really? Okay, how would you apply a rule to one group and not another? Just curious.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
03-22-2017, 02:55 PM
#245
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Really? Okay, how would you apply a rule to one group and not another? Just curious.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
Barring that, I'd revert to the previous setup of off-campus extended-stay properties that allow cooking and food preparation, and give new hires the 500 dollars/mo of training pay back. I'd encourage their families to enjoy the indoc experience like when I was hired, instead of treating them like a cost-center to be eliminated. And wouldn't suggest that a new hire making a lousy 2k per month shell out of pocket to have his/her significant other join them. But that's just me. Since you asked.
03-22-2017, 03:27 PM
#246
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
Payne I know you love to play devil's advocate sometimes, and a lot of the times I agree with you, but defending the lodge? Come on man. 6 weeks in that place really is torture for a new hire. Pay reduced, no one allowed to stay with you, lack of other food options, no alcohol allowed in your room. You cannot defend that. We are adults. The lodge is insulting.
03-22-2017, 04:45 PM
#247
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A few years ago, the company realized that all the pilots didn't consider the company as it is now, a career destination. So they gave up trying. Same has happened with tech ops by the way. They cut those things that would attempt to marry a pilot to this place at the beginning to save costs. I.e. Bringing your SO down to training, the lodge, cut training pay, cut profit sharing, etc. So the lodge impresses those who haven't been in this industry or haven't trained forever for this job. But the rest of us don't get what we had when this place used to be fun(I still enjoy it personally) and now we will only get what we negotiate.
03-22-2017, 05:10 PM
#248
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Originally Posted by likeitis
Really? Maybe like Delta, United, American, Alaska, Hawaiian, BA, Lufthansa, Air France, etc. does.
Do those companies have the equivalent of a Lodge, with all groups staying together. Stop equivocating. You know what I meant. You can't have multiple groups in one facility, and allow one subset to have overnight guests, and not the other.
03-22-2017, 05:16 PM
#249
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Really? Okay, how would you apply a rule to one group and not another? Just curious.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
The lodge is what it is. It's not a hotel. It's company provided housing during training. Want your wife to come into town? Great. Go to the API website and get a room at the Doubletree for $55.
03-22-2017, 05:27 PM
#250
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
And you think that's right? Do you agree or disagree with the policy?
I don't know enough about the contract with Pyramid Group and the insurance involved to know exactly why they chose the no visitors in the room policy.
I would like for spouses to be allowed to stay, but I believe that's an unenforceable policy. How does the front desk differentiate a spouse from a girlfriend or a prostitute? It's much simpler, from a management perspective, to just prohibit all visitors to the rooms. I understand the policy, even if I don't like it.
BTW people were originally allowed to have personal alcohol and coolers in the beginning, until a few groups ruined that. The few ruin things for the masses. It has always been that way. Again, exceptions to that are unenforceable. It's all or nothing, so they choose total prohibition of alcohol.
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