Originally Posted by Stringfellow

I think this comes from the non-rev policy that exists at most legacies which asks that all crew hitching a ride let pax get off first. Try getting up and blocking a pax on a Delta flight and you'll definitely get some looks from their guys. Just sayin...

Originally Posted by todd1200

We can debate whether or not the current rate of progress is acceptable, but I think all parties involved recognize the need for substantial improvements to our pay and work rules. I don't think I've seen anyone on this board say otherwise.




I think it's more, "If you want to work for a legacy, go to a legacy." And it's not meant like, "Shut-up and color" but honestly if you're miserable here, there's no reason to stick around. Everybody is hiring and the longer you wait, the more seniority you pass up.



According to our MEC, our part is to wear a lanyard, stay educated, and fly SOP. I haven't seen any discussion on this board that runs counter to this.

Some people say we should never participate in cabin cleaning, some people say they personally comply with company policy if they are non-revving and don the blue gloves after all the customers are off of the airplane. Some people say the Lodge is a disgrace and some people say the Lodge is actually pretty convenient. Some people say management's intentions are patently evil and some people say they're just pragmatic. I don't think anyone is actually saying pilots should have to clean the cabin or that we don't deserve a raise. We all want these things to change, but question whether or not we need to be miserable in the meantime.

Personally, as a new-hire I enjoyed the Lodge. I had some sims that started at 0500 and others that finished at 0300, so the ability to walk 2 minutes to/from training was great. I drove down with a cooler full of craft beer, so the prohibition on personal booze in the rooms was a big letdown, but they had Jai Alai IPA on draft, so that cushioned the blow. The staff was amazingly friendly, the gym was nice and I think I played more basketball than I've played since high school.

I wear my lanyard, read the ALPA emails and try to fly SOP, I just don't see the need to participate in some kind of PsyOps campaign against anything and everything JetBlue.

--Just one new guy's opinion--

Originally Posted by todd1200

We can debate whether or not the current rate of progress is acceptable, but I think all parties involved recognize the need for substantial improvements to our pay and work rules. I don't think I've seen anyone on this board say otherwise.




I think it's more, "If you want to work for a legacy, go to a legacy." And it's not meant like, "Shut-up and color" but honestly if you're miserable here, there's no reason to stick around. Everybody is hiring and the longer you wait, the more seniority you pass up.



According to our MEC, our part is to wear a lanyard, stay educated, and fly SOP. I haven't seen any discussion on this board that runs counter to this.

Some people say we should never participate in cabin cleaning, some people say they personally comply with company policy if they are non-revving and don the blue gloves after all the customers are off of the airplane. Some people say the Lodge is a disgrace and some people say the Lodge is actually pretty convenient. Some people say management's intentions are patently evil and some people say they're just pragmatic. I don't think anyone is actually saying pilots should have to clean the cabin or that we don't deserve a raise. We all want these things to change, but question whether or not we need to be miserable in the meantime.

Personally, as a new-hire I enjoyed the Lodge. I had some sims that started at 0500 and others that finished at 0300, so the ability to walk 2 minutes to/from training was great. I drove down with a cooler full of craft beer, so the prohibition on personal booze in the rooms was a big letdown, but they had Jai Alai IPA on draft, so that cushioned the blow. The staff was amazingly friendly, the gym was nice and I think I played more basketball than I've played since high school.

I wear my lanyard, read the ALPA emails and try to fly SOP, I just don't see the need to participate in some kind of PsyOps campaign against anything and everything JetBlue.

--Just one new guy's opinion--

Originally Posted by Stringfellow

I think this comes from the non-rev policy that exists at most legacies which asks that all crew hitching a ride let pax get off first. Try getting up and blocking a pax on a Delta flight and you'll definitely get some looks from their guys. Just sayin...

Originally Posted by Mover

Which legacies have this policy? I work for AA and have non-rev'd on Delta/SWA and none expect you to wait and let all the passengers deplane before getting off.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

This thread wont die until B6 gets us what we deserve-
Sorry if it's painful to hear some negativity when it comes to substandard pay and reserve rules.

Originally Posted by Gearswinger

It's an older policy on Delta. They stopped that years ago but a lot of people still do it.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Oh I think you know that is not what I was saying. I know you know.
Also one of us is on reserve and one of us isn't so spare me the lecture.

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

Sorry youre on reserve- I did not know that.
It does make it more difficult to understand the allowances you make for B6 though.