I can't recommend JetBlue at this time
04-12-2017 | 12:57 PM
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It will have more than 0 impact. Pay and benefit increases will help mitigate what will become either a stagnant airline or a staffing train wreck.
04-12-2017 | 03:05 PM
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04-14-2017 | 07:11 AM
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From: Set Hundo
Our TA needs to be industry leading, otherwise you can kiss this place goodbye in 5-10 years for lack of pilots. I believe a true industry LEADING contract would positively affect hiring and would tremendously affect retention.
Of course, it would have to be leading for both compensation and QOL.
Of course, it would have to be leading for both compensation and QOL.
04-15-2017 | 06:54 AM
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Our TA needs to be industry leading, otherwise you can kiss this place goodbye in 5-10 years for lack of pilots. I believe a true industry LEADING contract would positively affect hiring and would tremendously affect retention.
Of course, it would have to be leading for both compensation and QOL.
Of course, it would have to be leading for both compensation and QOL.
Explain.
Im also interested in what you think about the lack of retirements or the fact that we've hired our last CA for a long time.
04-15-2017 | 04:31 PM
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From: Set Hundo
Yes, I do expect to be getting paid as much as the leaders with this contract. If not, I will vote no and continue to try to leave.
Are you expecting to continue to be paid sub-par? You do know that JB can afford to pay us in line with the industry leaders, right? Why would our NC give us anything less?
04-15-2017 | 07:57 PM
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Many pilots, myself included, are somewhat lazy and are not big fans of change. If I'm getting paid the same as DAL, UAL, or SWA for my equipment, and have good QOL, I'm probably not leaving. If I'm getting paid less, I will continue doing all I can to get out.
Yes, I do expect to be getting paid as much as the leaders with this contract. If not, I will vote no and continue to try to leave.
Are you expecting to continue to be paid sub-par? You do know that JB can afford to pay us in line with the industry leaders, right? Why would our NC give us anything less?
Yes, I do expect to be getting paid as much as the leaders with this contract. If not, I will vote no and continue to try to leave.
Are you expecting to continue to be paid sub-par? You do know that JB can afford to pay us in line with the industry leaders, right? Why would our NC give us anything less?
Id say DAL or UAL minus 3-5% pay, comparable reserve/work rules, mildly better health care than present and less than leading retirement.
What I deserve and what I expect are not congruent and although the NC are doing their best, the company will continue to lie and attempt to short-change the pilot group. Of course staffing issues could prove helpful.
Do you have faith in this company to provide "industry leading" anything? What do you base that on?
04-16-2017 | 10:14 AM
#337
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From: Set Hundo
First of all, I am trying to leave, CBA or not. I believe I deserve the best contract I can find. Although B6 can afford to pay industry leading pay for the 320/321, I highly doubt they will.
Id say DAL or UAL minus 3-5% pay, comparable reserve/work rules, mildly better health care than present and less than leading retirement.
What I deserve and what I expect are not congruent and although the NC are doing their best, the company will continue to lie and attempt to short-change the pilot group. Of course staffing issues could prove helpful.
Do you have faith in this company to provide "industry leading" anything? What do you base that on?
Id say DAL or UAL minus 3-5% pay, comparable reserve/work rules, mildly better health care than present and less than leading retirement.
What I deserve and what I expect are not congruent and although the NC are doing their best, the company will continue to lie and attempt to short-change the pilot group. Of course staffing issues could prove helpful.
Do you have faith in this company to provide "industry leading" anything? What do you base that on?
My whole point is there's one range of opinions which says "it doesn't matter how much they pay us, or how good the CBA is, everyone's going to bail from here".
There's another range of opinions, which is where I'm at, which says "if they pay us as well as the best other options, and give us as good of a QOL, I might maybe stick around".
This place can no longer afford to NOT pay us in line with the leaders. They'll run out of pilots if they don't.
Believe me, I'm trying to get out of here also. I know this place is a career dead-end, currently. When we see the CBA, we'll know if management and the BOD plan on this place continuing to exist or not.
04-16-2017 | 01:17 PM
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They'll go out of business if they don't.
My whole point is there's one range of opinions which says "it doesn't matter how much they pay us, or how good the CBA is, everyone's going to bail from here".
There's another range of opinions, which is where I'm at, which says "if they pay us as well as the best other options, and give us as good of a QOL, I might maybe stick around".
This place can no longer afford to NOT pay us in line with the leaders. They'll run out of pilots if they don't.
Believe me, I'm trying to get out of here also. I know this place is a career dead-end, currently. When we see the CBA, we'll know if management and the BOD plan on this place continuing to exist or not.
My whole point is there's one range of opinions which says "it doesn't matter how much they pay us, or how good the CBA is, everyone's going to bail from here".
There's another range of opinions, which is where I'm at, which says "if they pay us as well as the best other options, and give us as good of a QOL, I might maybe stick around".
This place can no longer afford to NOT pay us in line with the leaders. They'll run out of pilots if they don't.
Believe me, I'm trying to get out of here also. I know this place is a career dead-end, currently. When we see the CBA, we'll know if management and the BOD plan on this place continuing to exist or not.
04-16-2017 | 01:51 PM
#340
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You should talk to JB pilots in person and see what they have to say. Rarely do you get a complete picture from reading APC.
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