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Old 03-27-2017, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
Youre right- They should apply-- They should also realize that its more than 5 guys.

And would you agree that those applying here should gather opinions from as many B6 pilots as possible to get a more balanced outlook?



For guys looking to escape the regionals and tread water, its a great place to work, but for those looking for a destination airline, better options exist.

Pay, benefits/retirement, and work/reserve rules dont lie.


They should talk to as many people as possible. I still firmly believe that once we get a CBA this will be a very good place to be. It isn't bad now, and will be great once the CBA is here. We will find out in 20 years what the right move was.
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
The big 3 could unhinge B6 by hiring just 200 FOs each this year. I think the rough total on legacy hiring is UAL-450/ DAL 800+/ AA 600+.

Add another 650 for WN. And their new simulator building doubling their simulator capacity (from 11 to 18 with capacity to stretch to 22) opens later this year... Not advocating that anyone go there unless they live in a SW domicile (other than Atlanta) but just to add to the tally.

Supposedly each of the majors has around 6000 qualified applicants. You have to assume that most of those 6000 have applied to all of the majors and big freighters. So if you divvy them up among those 6 carriers plus Spirit, Alaska, Hawaiian, and a few others -- not to mention corporate operators who are finally starting to open the pocket book to retain their talent... the next few years are gonna be interesting.


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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan View Post
Add another 650 for WN. And their new simulator building doubling their simulator capacity (from 11 to 18 with capacity to stretch to 22) opens later this year... Not advocating that anyone go there unless they live in a SW domicile (other than Atlanta) but just to add to the tally.

Supposedly each of the majors has around 6000 qualified applicants. You have to assume that most of those 6000 have applied to all of the majors and big freighters. So if you divvy them up among those 6 carriers plus Spirit, Alaska, Hawaiian, and a few others -- not to mention corporate operators who are finally starting to open the pocket book to retain their talent... the next few years are gonna be interesting.


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There are still thousands of pilots at various regionals that would love to come to JetBlue even if it's half the pay of the majors. The shortage will happen at the regional level. The majors will then start flying their own regional flying which in five or so years down the road might hit JB, Spirit, Frontier, etc....
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
I'm just saying people looking to apply shouldn't listen to 5 guys out of 3,500.
There are more than 5 out of 3500 that are frustrated. People are free to go where they want to. Just hope they make an informed decision. JB is still be than most regionals or fly by night cargo ops.
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 727_Driver View Post
There are more than 5 out of 3500 that are frustrated. People are free to go where they want to. Just hope they make an informed decision. JB is still be than most regionals or fly by night cargo ops.
What a glowing endorsement for this "major airline" lol
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:34 AM
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Didn't I warn you not to trust anybody, Dr. Jones?
Walter Donovan

Indiana Jones and the last crusade.

It's very good advice.

And just for fun

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo
Great scene
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:22 AM
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I just upgraded at a AA WO regional with about 4 years to flow using current data. Would love to come on over (family in BOS and Central FL) but threads like this make me think.

Oh well, still haven't gotten a call.
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Old 04-05-2017, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer View Post
I just upgraded at a AA WO regional with about 4 years to flow using current data. Would love to come on over (family in BOS and Central FL) but threads like this make me think.

Oh well, still haven't gotten a call.
If you have a guaranteed flow, Id stick- the retirements alone at AA are worth it.
Im at B6 3.5 years and would take an AA/UA class tomorrow. Even though Im comfortable with holidays/weekends off, movement is ALL based on growth and is painfully slow.
We had 3 net upgrades last system bid and the 190 future is unclear at best.
Its not that Im unhappy, the options are just better elsewhere. Pm me if you want to discuss further. Good luck
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
If you have a guaranteed flow, Id stick- the retirements alone at AA are worth it.
Im at B6 3.5 years and would take an AA/UA class tomorrow. Even though Im comfortable with holidays/weekends off, movement is ALL based on growth and is painfully slow.
We had 3 net upgrades last system bid and the 190 future is unclear at best.
Its not that Im unhappy, the options are just better elsewhere. Pm me if you want to discuss further. Good luck
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Agreed. If I were younger and/or less senior I'd bail for AA in a heartbeat.

AA will retire 74% of their seniority list in the next 15 years. JB will retire 28% of their list in the next 15 years.

Do what you want, but know what you are getting into.

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Old 04-06-2017, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
If you have a guaranteed flow, Id stick- the retirements alone at AA are worth it.
Im at B6 3.5 years and would take an AA/UA class tomorrow. Even though Im comfortable with holidays/weekends off, movement is ALL based on growth and is painfully slow.
We had 3 net upgrades last system bid and the 190 future is unclear at best.
Its not that Im unhappy, the options are just better elsewhere. Pm me if you want to discuss further. Good luck
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Truth be told, the longer JB takes to hire me, the more I'm leaning towards staying at AAG, froma purely monetary perspective. If ya'll get a good CBA though, that'll change the equation.
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