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01-02-2020 | 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by No Land 3

Too bad Atlas didn't leave 1224 sooner...

The Pope or JC himself could have been representing/negotiating......
nothing would change if management does not want a contract.

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01-02-2020 | 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by White Cap

You are where you are because of you and the rest of that group. Not IBT, not your reps, YOU and your group. Please decertify, your group is not worth our efforts. The reason that there is a K2 is malleable, wishful people who staff the airline. Don't go away mad, just go away.

It's THIS type of attitude (you NEED us, you can't do this without the help of the Teamsters, you are nothing without us) that ultimately was the downfall of the Teamsters at K4, a bunch of other airlines, and soon us. Thanks for making my point!

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01-02-2020 | 09:57 AM

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Enjoy your industry low contract. You'll never make it to anything close to industry standard.

01-02-2020 | 10:07 AM

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K4 hold up was their request to change the Teamsters bylaws which would favor them over other Teamster carriers..... possibly giving them an advantage in bidding simular contracts. Like another carrier coming in making 1/2 as much willing to do the same contract and bidding against you. Teamsters were trying to make it a level playing field to prevent whipsawing one carrier against another.

01-02-2020 | 10:54 AM

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No Land 3

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog

Atlas 1224 didn't like the max duty day and caused our contract to be delayed by 6 months. It wasn't Teamsters, it was Atlas 1224 trying to prevent the K4 pilot group from voting. K4 left 1224 so our competitor didn't have their hands in our contract and business. 1224 is a perfect example of the failures of socialism.

01-02-2020 | 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by No Land 3

I still can't understand why K4 wanted longer duty days. The IBT has every right to ask for a floor on certain QOL and pay issues. It just makes no sense to push for longer than, say, an 18 hour day.

01-02-2020 | 11:05 AM

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BTW, I would suggest that you study the history of all these RLA issues. The internet is a wonderful resource.

01-02-2020 | 11:12 AM

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I'm not familiar with K2's contract but I'd assume that everyone there is looking for better jobs... Everyone is hiring... I agree that his attitude was kind of bad. People have to get experience somewhere to work their way up the ladder.

01-02-2020 | 11:16 AM

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Not true...it was in the bylaws which K4 new about going into it. Trying to keep all Teamsters carriers competitive. K4 did not like not having an advantage. From that point on every ACMI management has been pushing for longer duty days for the same pay...thanks!

01-02-2020 | 11:17 AM

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I still can't understand why K4 wanted longer duty days. The IBT has every right to ask for a floor on certain QOL and pay issues. It just makes no sense to push for longer than, say, an 18 hour day.

I'd have stayed at Atlas with a 22 hour day staying around... I'd accept all the other ACMI BS too. Let's say a general cost of UPS +20% complete with the retirement. You want to beat the snot out of me? Compensate me or watch me walk and take your chances on another new hire...