K2 is a 121 operator. there was no flow when K4 was Teamsters as well as K2 why would a change to ALPA for both carriers change that?

 

Actually it would make it easier. Kalitta Air has a flow I think with Expressjet so why not K2.

 

AJT spent ten years trying to get rid of the IBT. They utilized every tactic they could. Negotiations were a joke. Their stooges just smirked and sat there. Not much you can do about it, even when the federal mediator came in. The only leverage pilots have is to stick together. That is it. A few years ago, when AJT was up for sale, the CEO tried an end around and went directly to the pilot group. In exchange for getting rid of the IBT, the company would agree to a small raise, with no change in work rules. One of AJT's rules was the refusal to abide by the CBA outside of the United States. We almost lost the decertification vote. That was how sorry and pathetic this group was at the time. Scabs and horrible pilots who were always stabbing their fellow pilots in the back. A year later the company signed the CBA that is in force today.

One thing I absolutely agree with the IBT is that there should be a floor to any CBA. Pay, duty limits, and benefits must all be at a certain minimum threshold. Without this "minimum", we all just push each other downward.

 

Because Connie and Dougie look at flow as costing them money. if one flows they have to train your replacement as well as you for the new position creating two training events. they wont even interview a pilot if said pilot is a current employee to interview one has to resign or be employed elsewhere. that being said I think one or two pilots have done a flow but those pilots where A** kissing yes men. Dougie still has the old school pilots are a dime a dozen do what I say mentality along with several of the people in the front office. flow won't happen untill that changes.

 

My friend you are late to the dance, they already have a preferential interview program and the first K2 pilots will interview next round, granted not a true flow but the door has cracked open.

 

So obviously 1224 ISN'T WORKING. I can't change management. So I'm changing what I have control over...kapeesh?

 

That's not obvious. Only management can ultimately make a deal. If you end up with no union or an in-house union then you will be worse off than before.

 

5 years and not one single TA isn't enough evidence that our union is incompetent?! I'm not sure what world you live in, but that's not good enough for me or 60% of the pilots on the property.

 

No, it isn't. What if the company just won't agree to a single TA? A union can't force them to agree to a TA. The "evidence" you've provided could also just as easily be used to claim that the company refuses to negotiate anything.

 

How many years are you willing to give them? Another 2 to 3 years? The 737 guys don't have as much patience as you...hence the 60% decertification vote.

I figure they cost all of us somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20k this year had we decertified them last year.