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04-22-2017, 02:51 AM

#2921

maxjet

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Originally Posted by Reserve

I always enjoy the logging of time, and 8 hours in the seat debates.

There is no FAR that dictates a pilot cannot be in the seat for more than 8 hours.

FAR 121.507 says: "No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule a pilot -
(1) For flight deck duty in an airplane that has a crew of three pilots for more than eight hours in any 24 consecutive hours; or

I agree with your statements, and stand corrected on a technical basis. I owe you a beer. :-)

04-22-2017, 04:54 AM

#2922

No Land 3

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Originally Posted by maxjet

I agree with your statements, and stand corrected on a technical basis. I owe you a beer. :-)

So, only during consolidation it's max 8 hours?

04-22-2017, 08:49 AM

#2923

Reserve

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Originally Posted by WhaleWrangler

The new contract got away with this BS as crews would have a good guarantee and through no fault of their own get sick in say DEL (go figure!!) and loose all the R's and revert to 62 hrs.

One of the few good things in the new contract.

How many lines are there above 64? I haven't counted, but not many. Unless they are short on crews and give you R's staying on your line only benefits a very small percentage of very senior people.

My opinion is staying on our lines is a reduction in potential credit hours compared to the old contract. Except for the very few.

04-22-2017, 08:58 AM

#2924

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Originally Posted by No Land 3

So, only during consolidation it's max 8 hours?

As far as tracking consolidation to decide if a pilot needs to go to the sim if they haven't gotten their 100 hours of aircraft operational experience in the designated amount of time (I dont remember the time frame). Yes. As far as what goes in my logbook, no I log the whole flight.

IOE, I only loged what the instructor signed me off for that flight. Usually they credit up to 8 per flight,

04-22-2017, 09:20 AM

#2925

Locke

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Originally Posted by Reserve

IOE, I only loged what the instructor signed me off for that flight. Usually they credit up to 8 per flight,

Why? You're typed in the aircraft and a required crew member. I just logged it all.

04-22-2017, 10:36 AM

#2926

Mr Rumbold

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Originally Posted by jhugz

I'm 28 and have 37 years until retirement. Just don't think it's a good idea to throw the logbooks in the trash and say I'm done logging time since I'm a FO on a 74 now. Though I plan to be at K4 long term I'm not naive enough to believe things can't happen in this industry.

With how stupid and idiotic legacy interviews have got, I just want to make sure I log it the right way so I don't have to explain myself out of a corner during a 2 day interview.

That's cool man- I like logging time anyway; it's fun looking back on a flight from years back and remembering it.
I was just saying it astonishes me that the "big guys" even care whether you have 7598.4 hours or ~7200. That was all.

04-22-2017, 10:58 AM

#2927

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Originally Posted by Reserve

You are absolutely correct but remember, when we weren't flying our lines some guys were getting 90 hours while others were getting 30. Flying our lines is fair, rewarding greed isn't. If you wan't to try for more with a reserve line then looks like you'll need seniority, that's fair too.

04-22-2017, 12:03 PM

#2928

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Originally Posted by Locke

Why? You're typed in the aircraft and a required crew member. I just logged it all.

You are typed, yes. But you are not a legal 121 F/O until signed off of IOE. Without an instructor you aren't legal in the seat. Instructor is not legal to instruct more than 8. That's why there are two other signed off F/O's for when the Capt./Instructor is not in the seat.

Just my interpretation and opinion. Haven't had anyone show me anything that proves different.

04-22-2017, 12:12 PM

#2929

maxjet

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Originally Posted by No Land 3

So, only during consolidation it's max 8 hours?

No, it is, The company cannot schedule you for more than 8 hours. as aptly stated if there are 3 crewmembers then if one is under distress the other 2 would technically not be in violation by flying more than 8 hours in that there is no specific prohibition against that. From a realistic practical matter, unless there is a problem you should never be in the seat for more than 8 hours in a 24 hour period.