So I got a real job. Now I just want to fly.
09-17-2010, 06:23 AM
#51
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The Job
Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
You're so positive Skyhigh, it makes me wanna slit my wrists after reading your posts. Lucky for me, I'm too dumb to listen to your advice. 
Just yanking your chain man. I know you got a raw deal, you've practically posted your entire lack of a career here. But some of us youngsters gotta keep plugging away, them wide-bodies ain't gonna fly themselves when today's pilots retire/keel over.
Just yanking your chain man. I know you got a raw deal, you've practically posted your entire lack of a career here. But some of us youngsters gotta keep plugging away, them wide-bodies ain't gonna fly themselves when today's pilots retire/keel over.
My point is that wages and benefits are not in congress with the sacrifices it takes to get the job and to do it. Most pilots are getting the same raw deal that I got however they keep coming back for more. I wanted something more from my life than crash pads, airport couches and top ramen. I too was prepared to get up early and to be gone a lot but not for mailman wages.
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 06:26 AM
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Don't forget.
Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
It depends on the job finnegan. I spray as well and I'm home 99% of the time. I do some short term work out of town but it is only for a few days and by out of town I mean a two hour drive. I don't make a fortune but the spray income in conjunction with wrenching and some flight instruction pays better than my previous job with less overhead so the net income is much better. I'm very blessed to be in a situation where I can accept the lower income from working one seat locally and not traveling with the work.
All of that said I bolded a portion of your post that is the gospel truth.
All of that said I bolded a portion of your post that is the gospel truth.
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
No one is stopping you. I mean someone has to get up at 3:00AM to fly them. My point is that wages and benefits are not in congress with the sacrifices it takes to get the job and to do it. Most pilots are getting the same raw deal that I got however they keep coming back for more. I wanted something more from my life than crash pads, airport couches and top ramen.
I too was prepared to get up early and to be gone a lot but not for mailman wages.
Skyhigh
My point is that wages and benefits are not in congress with the sacrifices it takes to get the job and to do it. Most pilots are getting the same raw deal that I got however they keep coming back for more. I wanted something more from my life than crash pads, airport couches and top ramen. I too was prepared to get up early and to be gone a lot but not for mailman wages.
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 07:23 AM
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I already do
Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
I completely agree with this (bolded) point. But nonetheless, quitting the career isn't going to make things better (you know, the whole "there's someone out there who will fly it if you don't"). I wonder if you have considered becoming a lobbyist for pilot wages and QOL. You seem to have a little bit of time on your hands, why not use it to help correct what's wrong?
All pilots should get paid a livable salary and have enough time at home to have a life. We can not make laws to change this. Pilots need to change.
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
That is what I do here everyday. Untill pilots stop showing up to work for nothing there is no hope. My aim is to try and raise your expectations to a point where you will not accept a life of peanut butter sandwiches and crash pads.
All pilots should get paid a livable salary and have enough time at home to have a life. We can not make laws to change this. Pilots need to change.
Skyhigh
All pilots should get paid a livable salary and have enough time at home to have a life. We can not make laws to change this. Pilots need to change.
Skyhigh
BTW, I happen to like peanut butter sandwiches
09-17-2010, 08:02 AM
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Peanut Butter
Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
You know as well as I do that is never going to happen. If U.S. pilots stop showing up, I expect cabotage will take full effect and then we will really be screwed.
BTW, I happen to like peanut butter sandwiches
BTW, I happen to like peanut butter sandwiches
As a profession we really are hosed. Automated planes are easy to fly and people are still willing to blow a fortune in hopes of making 30K a year as a pilot one day. There just is no incentive for companies to pay more.
I hope that you have a solid plan "B" figured out because one day you might want to have an actual life.
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 08:16 AM
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Face it Sky, you gave up on your dream. If it had worked out for you, you'd be singing a different tune right now. Perhaps one day you will come to the realization that aviation is not all doom and gloom. I know it pains you to admit otherwise but i have faith that you will, one day, see the light. Keep up the good fight.
09-17-2010, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I like peanut butter sandwiches too but it stinks to be forced to live on them.
As a profession we really are hosed. Automated planes are easy to fly and people are still willing to blow a fortune in hopes of making 30K a year as a pilot one day. There just is no incentive for companies to pay more.
I hope that you have a solid plan "B" figured out because one day you might want to have an actual life.
Skyhigh
As a profession we really are hosed. Automated planes are easy to fly and people are still willing to blow a fortune in hopes of making 30K a year as a pilot one day. There just is no incentive for companies to pay more.
I hope that you have a solid plan "B" figured out because one day you might want to have an actual life.
Skyhigh
As for a plan "B," it's currently in the works. I am, ironically enough, working part-time and making more than I was at the regionals
09-17-2010, 08:34 AM
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Not all gloom and doom
Originally Posted by brianb
Face it Sky, you gave up on your dream. If it had worked out for you, you'd be singing a different tune right now. Perhaps one day you will come to the realization that aviation is not all doom and gloom. I know it pains you to admit otherwise but i have faith that you will, one day, see the light. Keep up the good fight.
The main issue is the overall decay of the profession at all levels. It would have been nice to have reached my goals however in time I expect to look back to realize what a blessing it was to get laid off when I did.
I did not give up on my dream. Mine always was to be a well rewarded and respected professional who was able to live a life of their own choosing and in those regards I am still on that path. If anything aviation was a hindrance to my goals. What is your dream?
Skyhigh
09-17-2010, 08:38 AM
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Cost
Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
Those people that are willing to blow a fortune on their training are fools at best. There are those of us that did our research and were able to keep our training costs down to a more manageable level.
As for a plan "B," it's currently in the works. I am, ironically enough, working part-time and making more than I was at the regionals
As for a plan "B," it's currently in the works. I am, ironically enough, working part-time and making more than I was at the regionals
Now it seems as though an aviation degree will become the norm at the regionals. Add another 100K to the pile.
Skyhigh
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