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Old 04-29-2012 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot
I respect your opinion. I don't think there should be a number of failures that kick you out, I think the industry will do that by itself. The last thing we all need is more stress in this career, with a drop dead failure number, it will not help at all.
I think you may be right, however, would self analysis after many failures cause you to leave the career? I have failed one checkride(PC) as a Professional Pilot. Too me, once is enough and I would never want to experience that again. My career has spanned 23 years so far. What would be the "magic" number before embarrassment and doubt set in and you began to question your ability as an Aviator? I think embarrassment alone would be a big factor for me, i.e., not having the capability to do the job anymore. What you think?
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Old 04-30-2012 | 06:14 AM
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We had one bad day in Buffalo. This is not a trend. Accidents happen and will continue to do so. The fact is that air travel today is safer than it has ever been. Automation and modern procedures are working well to consistently reduce accidents.

The way to increase experience in the flight deck is to raise the price of a ticket. Demand will drop off sharply. New pilots will not be able to get a job.

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Old 05-03-2012 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
We had one bad day in Buffalo. This is not a trend. Accidents happen and will continue to do so. The fact is that air travel today is safer than it has ever been. Automation and modern procedures are working well to consistently reduce accidents.

The way to increase experience in the flight deck is to raise the price of a ticket. Demand will drop off sharply. New pilots will not be able to get a job.

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Thanks Sky, that response did absolutely nothing to address what I was talking about. I have a feeling your going to be "eating" your words very soon.
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Old 05-03-2012 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by brianb
I think you may be right, however, would self analysis after many failures cause you to leave the career? I have failed one checkride(PC) as a Professional Pilot. Too me, once is enough and I would never want to experience that again. My career has spanned 23 years so far. What would be the "magic" number before embarrassment and doubt set in and you began to question your ability as an Aviator? I think embarrassment alone would be a big factor for me, i.e., not having the capability to do the job anymore. What you think?
But why even examine or discuss any checkride failure in the context of embarrassment? Isn't that our ego talking? Why view is as some form of validation instead of a learning situation? Doesn't a bust say as much about the training as it does about the trainee?

No-bust pilots haven't been immune from accidents or incidents.
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Old 05-03-2012 | 05:36 PM
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But why even examine or discuss any checkride failure in the context of embarrassment? Isn't that our ego talking? Why view is as some form of validation instead of a learning situation? Doesn't a bust say as much about the training as it does about the trainee?

No-bust pilots haven't been immune from accidents or incidents.
Not every one I'd say, but it certainly can play a BIG part.
If there are numerous busts in the same training pipeline it becomes even more of a factor.

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Old 05-03-2012 | 09:47 PM
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Ironically, it can also be argued that the lack of bust at any FBO or Academy have been issues in the past. Certain flight schools attract those individuals not looking to bust due to "easy checkrides". We all know the FSDO's in the past have noticed this and increased rides with their staff versus a DE.

If we have one person who goes to easy rides and gets zero bust and then we have another who has multiple rides and multiple bust who are the airlines going to hire? Then again as in the case of Buffalo we obviously had a Capt with a history of bust and still could not fly properly. What my final argument would be is a fundamental flaw in the inconsistency of how flight proficiency is determined. Now do i have an answer how to fix it? Nope, wish I did... topic to discuss.
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