Pilot shortage... Again!
04-25-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
And once again Sully is the sole voice of reason...
04-26-2012, 08:41 AM
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Funny, they really do feel entitled to an airline pilot job because they paid for some hours in the right seat of a Beechjet. We are Stalling, ok I will bring the flaps up, that's why you need experience to fly for the airlines, so you lower the risk of that happening. At 500hrs I was not ready to be right seat in an RJ, sure I could have flown it fine, but as soon as things went south, who knows. A couple of hours in a Beechjet does not help close to as much as 500 hrs in a Seneca flying cargo.
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
And once again Sully is the sole voice of reason...
04-26-2012, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flywithjohn
They don't want to pay it though, why would I drop 80k in college and another 50k in training to not even be qualified for the Regional and their 19k paycheck? Sorry but Sully is an Academy man, he never struggled paying for his tickets. I fail to see how kicking up hiring mins to ATP standards is gong to prevent another Colgen air incident. Especially when both pilots of that flight we well over 1,500hrs...
Yes they had the hours, but they also both lacked the basic understanding of how a wing and flaps work... and this is what killed them. But if that mistake was made in a small beech twin or a twin Cessna while delivering checks, maybe (if they survived), they'd have learned a valuable lesson to bring to that airliner cockpit
04-27-2012, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by flywithjohn
They don't want to pay it though, why would I drop 80k in college and another 50k in training to not even be qualified for the Regional and their 19k paycheck? Sorry but Sully is an Academy man, he never struggled paying for his tickets. I fail to see how kicking up hiring mins to ATP standards is gong to prevent another Colgen air incident. Especially when both pilots of that flight we well over 1,500hrs...
The public wants more experience up front, that public votes, those politicians have listened. Despite what you think, you're not entitled to anything. Get 1500 hours and move on. You know... there was a time not long ago when even the regionals wouldn't touch a guy with less than 3K TT, and I never heard any *****ing back then. Just dudes working hard to move up. Whiners.
04-27-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FailOperational
there is a very steep learning curve that occurs between 500 and 1500 hours... even if it's just towing banners.... the judgement and errors that you make and learn form are ideal for a forming pilot.... and frankly not something I want a pilot to be doing while flight as FO on a passenger airliner.
Yes they had the hours, but they also both lacked the basic understanding of how a wing and flaps work... and this is what killed them. But if that mistake was made in a small beech twin or a twin Cessna while delivering checks, maybe (if they survived), they'd have learned a valuable lesson to bring to that airliner cockpit
Yes they had the hours, but they also both lacked the basic understanding of how a wing and flaps work... and this is what killed them. But if that mistake was made in a small beech twin or a twin Cessna while delivering checks, maybe (if they survived), they'd have learned a valuable lesson to bring to that airliner cockpit
04-28-2012, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by brianb
Kinda makes you wonder how these two got to the position of "pilot" with Colgan. I understand that the Captain had many failures during his career and yet he was still able to obtain a position in the left seat. The F/O I'm not sure about. Do you think that the industry should impose a "maximum" number of failed events during a career? Exceed these numbers and your out. Would you also include failures during training? Maybe having tougher standards would decrease the number of Knuckleheads out there and allow more of the low time competent one's to move ahead quicker. What say you?
Not advocating the idea, just saying that one segment of the industry does it.
04-28-2012, 08:23 AM
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China small Airbus capt pay had held steady at about $16K/month for about the last 2 years or so. It used to be $12K/month, and gradually worked it's way up.
In the last week, I have seen a job advertising $16K/month, and yesterday $18K per month.
Those jobs used to have one option: Live in China. Now they are VERY flexible, and in fact at least one Chinese contract agency offers bases in North America. This $20K per month job gives you a number of commuting options, if you don't want to live in China: 3 weeks On/1 Off....6 weeks On/3 Off....15 days on/15 days off. Many of the jobs I have seen advertise that they will work a schedule out with you.
They pay and flexibility are increasing because the pilot shortage is getting worse and worse, worldwide.
cliff
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In the last week, I have seen a job advertising $16K/month, and yesterday $18K per month.
Those jobs used to have one option: Live in China. Now they are VERY flexible, and in fact at least one Chinese contract agency offers bases in North America. This $20K per month job gives you a number of commuting options, if you don't want to live in China: 3 weeks On/1 Off....6 weeks On/3 Off....15 days on/15 days off. Many of the jobs I have seen advertise that they will work a schedule out with you.
They pay and flexibility are increasing because the pilot shortage is getting worse and worse, worldwide.
cliff
HHN
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