SkyHigh

As I have mentioned before. Everyone should work to stay ahead of the changes. Many old school careers are going down the drain right now. Does that give the rest of us an excuse to make a poor choice too?

There are great new careers out there. All one has to do is to find it.

I have already suffered my career Armageddon. In a way I am leading the pack in starting over. Not much fun but full of opportunity both good and bad.

Skyhigh

DYNASTY HVY

Kind of beating around the bush to Jungles question are we ?
Looks like my previous post missed the mark with no rebuttal .
Anyway have a good Thanksgiving.

USMCFLYR

Restatement not required.
If you have successfully avoided answering the questions until now - why should change? It isn't like you have forgotten them.

USMCFLYR

SkyHigh

USMCFLYR,

Sometimes I think you guys are posting rhetorical questions. I honestly don't recall so I am going to take a swing at what I think it is that you are getting at.

Most of my previous generations on my fathers side were career military men. My grandfather, his two brothers and one brother in law all went to the Annapolis Naval Academy and served with distinction in WWII. I have a pile of graduation swords, uniforms and naval relics from there collective 100 years of service. My great grand father was in the military and great great grand father died in the civil war.

To be different my father went to the Air Force much to the disappointment of the rest of the family. I believe that I have a good amount of exposure to what being in the military means. I get the honor and draw of service. In return the military took good care of them all. They all received good retirements and benefits till the end when they received either a burial at sea or color guard at their funeral.

A consequence of their service was that they all married late in life. Many decades at sea resulted in missed opportunities for a personal life. My grandfather was injured in the war and had to spend some time in a Navy hospital. He was able to marry at 40 and had two kids. The rest were all childless in large part due to their time away. In addition a few of them avoided buying a house until they were retired and had to pay a mortgage into their 70's.

So what is my take on the sacrifices of service? It is one thing to volunteer yourself to saving your town from the British and yet another to become a career volunteer soldier. The first is an obligation to protect those immediately around you and the other a career choice. As a career choice I think it is one that imposes a great deal on family life. I would not make that choice as a family man, but can not argue that the compensation and benefits are stellar.

A completely different situation from the airlines where you are asked to be away much of the time for a miserable return.

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I have more to follow, but have to leave for an appointment.

Skyhigh

USMCFLYR

You once again did a great job of avoiding the heart of the question.
Based on your previous post - what would your family think if you stood up at Thanksgiving dinner and ask the family seated around you to say a quick thank you to all of your male family members in the past who served [but now add in this part] without honor or allegiance to your friends, family, home, or country. See the actual quote from Skyhigh below:

Maybe you weren't applying your sociopathic nomer to YOUR family members - just to everyone elses' (post #75):
Yes Sky - in all my time in the military I barely saw ANYONE who had a wife and kids. All of those playgrounds on base (we actually use them as impromtued obstacle courses), high quality schools, day cares, teen centers, skate parks, etc.... and for all those people who don't have time to have families. Maybe the fact that your male family members waited so long to have kids (or go without) or waited till retirement until they bought a house had something more to do WITH THEM rather than the military Sky. I know PLENTY of people who owned a house (or two) everywhere they were stationed. Hummmmmm....different strokes for different folks again. Nah....it is the military's fault my uncle didn't own a house or have kids - those darn sociopaths!

Try answering this one thing here Sky. If you do it - I might actually let your insults drop because it will certainly answer the question finally. Do you believe that your sociopathic description fits these people in your life:
These people fit your quoted description in post #75 and your response in #77?
And if your answer is that most (if not all) of the males in your family were DRAFTED, and not volunteer members of the military, and these volunteer military members are the ones that are sociopathic; well....I'll just keep that for another time.

USMCFLYR

jungle

No need to get it in a wad. What sky suffers from used to be called vanity a few centuries ago. It is the root cause of most of the conflict in the world.

It works like this: Generate a code of behavior or a set of moral values and then attempt to impose it on others, by force or argument.

If sky is happy, I am happy. Thankfully though, neither of us will ever depend on the other for direction when it comes to happiness.

If someone wants four wives or desires to marry a goat, that is just dandy, but I'm not going to do it and of course their rights will end anytime they near my property or impose a hazard to my physical safety. It is never required to respect another's philosophy in these matters or even demand any logical explanation.

And of course most of them can never produce any logical explanation other than their own desire.

USMCFLYR

It is a lot like this part of the TOS:
Sky, nor any of his converts (which deny they are converts even though that is Sky's word - but they don't like me using it), would stand up among their own family and friends and say such a thing as Sky did, or as of yet have acknowledged that they think of themselves in such a manner; yet not one of them has said so.

It is OK to say it on the internet forum though because insults here any just not real - - right?

USMCFLYR

jungle

I often think it would benefit society greatly to revive the "Code of the Duel" using edged weapons or pistols in resolving such petty matters of manners, philosophy or social issues.

It might not resolve anything, but people might tend to use more care in their choice of words. It would get quieter.

The drawback is that this would require a revival of the concept of honor, and this in itself may impose the greatest barrier.

GoPats

Oh for cryin' out loud. Give it a rest man. Have mercy with this faux outrage over discussions on an internet forum.

No, USMC, I was not "converted". My feelings on an aviation career have been set long before I ever set eyes on this site and they certainly wouldn't have been influenced by "spanky.com" or any other internet alias on this or any other matter.

Please don't condemn others on this forum about "name calling" and then going ahead and basically doing the same thing yourself with your own demeaning characterizations ("his converts").

I find these discussions from both ends of the spectrum interesting and sometimes entertaining. Can we just stick to the subject matter?

Happy Thanksgiving. I'm off.

USMCFLYR

And there it is. The anger at me when someone else is the one calling you converts and sociopaths.

If you weren't converted, then you might want to tell Sky that so that he will quit saying that many of his converts agree with him. Maybe you got lumped in with his generalizations (you wouldn't be the first).
GoPats - it is HIS word - not mine. You will not find a single post of mine where someone agreeing with my stance against Sky's name calling posts and then I come on touting that my "converts" have be heard!

YES! We can stick to the subject matter. Would you ask you "friend" SkyHigh to do the same and to limit his discussions to the airline/aviation industry without throwing out insult grenades and likening pilots to a mental disorder?

I ENCOURAGE you to both promote the idea that you are not CONVERTS or SOCIOPATHS.
You should tell that to the person calling you such.
This was your quote (post #71), after tomgoodman told you that SkyHigh had used such insults in the past and wondered why such things were necessary when trying to have the type of discussions that you say you want to get back too :
But you have not taken the many opportunities to do so. You have just let it hover in the thread like you didn't really mean it and even continue to encourage this behavior by defending him further. Not even a simple "Man Sky, that is out of bounds. You should be calling people sociopaths" Nope - - - - silence.
Why? It will not believe because you truly view yourself as such.
You are angry at the name, but not at the person who tagged you with it.

I doubt you will doing anything so your point is mute. You like it when it suits your purposes, but you like to make a stink about it when you are confronted with the same.

Typical.

USMCFLYR