How are we going to compete??
02-15-2017, 06:41 AM
#21
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Position: 787 right
Posts: 504
Originally Posted by Broncofan
So whats everyones guess as to what happens to United in the long run? I know its speculation do you think United will make it through this? Maybe end up merging with someone like Norwegian? Wages drop significantly?
02-15-2017, 06:45 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: 737 CAPT
Posts: 1,882
In case you missed their 787 FLL offer:
The Job
Successful applicants will be employed by OSM Aviation, based at Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport (FLL), FL, flying Norwegian B787 Dreamliners on our exiting long haul network.
The Airline
Norwegian is a high quality
Norwegian has repetitiously won Best Low Cost Airline for both Short Haul- and Long Haul carrier
What we require
Note: You must have the legal right to live and work in the United States
Captain
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
6,000 hours total flight time
2,500 hours PIC hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
1,000 hours on a wide body or narrow body aircraft in long haul operation
Relief Captain
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
5,000 hours total flight time
2,500 hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
1,500 hours PIC hours on any EFIS jet aircraft or 1,500 hours as FO on a wide body aircraft
First Officer
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
1,500 hours total time
1,000 hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
What we offer
Your Duty Periods starts and finishes at FLL
Your Gross Salary
Captain: $10,000 per month
Relief Captain: $ 7,500 per month
First Officer: $ 5,500 per month
Your Per Diem/Allowance
$ 1,000 per month (all ranks)
Your Bought Day Off
Captain: $1,000 per day
Relief Captain: $ 750 per day
First Officer: $ 550 per day
Your Phone Allowance
Captain: $100 per month
Relief Captain: $ 50 per month
First Officer: $ 50 per month
Your Special job pay
Base Chief Captain: $1,000 per month
Line Training Captains: $20 per hour
Simulator Instructors: $40 per hour (CA, RCA, FO)
Check Captains: $40 per hour
Your Time Off
You will get a minimum of 10 days off in a month
You will have 28 days of paid annual leave
Your Sick leave
30 paid sick leave days per year
Your Layover Station Transportation & Accommodation
Provided by Norwegian
Your Travel Benefits
ID travel benefits are provided to you and your qualifying family members on Norwegian services according to current policies
Service Tickets are provided to pilots for duty travel in conjunction with work
Your Insurance
Both Medical and Personal Accident and Illness insurance is provided by OSM Aviation
Loss of License insurance covers two years basic pay
Your Training
For near-type-rated (B737E/NG, B744, B748, B757/767) your type-rating course will be 17 days.
For those with a type-rating on B777, when qualified, the license will be endorsed with B777/B787 as they are considered same type
Training will be performed at training centres in either London Gatwick or Miami
To qualify for a short-courses you must be fully current
The Training Cost Bond
Unless you are B787 or B777 rated, before commencing training you must sign a training cost bond which will be reduced by 1/3 annually
- For pilots current on B737E/NG, B744, B748, or B757/767, the is USD 30,000
- For all other ratings the bond is USD 40,000
Your Contract
Your contract will be a 3-year renewable OSM Aviation contract, within 2 years you must however, successfully pass the test for the EASA ATPL if not yet in possession of such.
You must be able to pass the EASA Class 1 medical, and you must take an ICAO English test (EPL) if you have never passed this previously, even if you have automatically been awarded an EPL level by your current authority.
The Way to Apply
- Go to http: WWW.IMNOTHELPINGTHEMFINDPILOTSSOIREMOVEDTHEWEBSITE .COM
- Click on APPLY.
You will be asked to upload your CV, license, passport and photo.
Norwegian can arrange tickets on the Norwegian network to attend the screening process
Norwegian can book hotel at their rates where needed, but the you must settle the bill with the hotel upon arrival.
Successful applicants will be employed by OSM Aviation, based at Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport (FLL), FL, flying Norwegian B787 Dreamliners on our exiting long haul network.
The Airline
Norwegian is a high quality
Norwegian has repetitiously won Best Low Cost Airline for both Short Haul- and Long Haul carrier
What we require
Note: You must have the legal right to live and work in the United States
Captain
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
6,000 hours total flight time
2,500 hours PIC hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
1,000 hours on a wide body or narrow body aircraft in long haul operation
Relief Captain
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
5,000 hours total flight time
2,500 hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
1,500 hours PIC hours on any EFIS jet aircraft or 1,500 hours as FO on a wide body aircraft
First Officer
FAA or EASA ATPL License
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Class 1 Medical required before commencing flight duty)
1,500 hours total time
1,000 hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
What we offer
Your Duty Periods starts and finishes at FLL
Your Gross Salary
Captain: $10,000 per month
Relief Captain: $ 7,500 per month
First Officer: $ 5,500 per month
Your Per Diem/Allowance
$ 1,000 per month (all ranks)
Your Bought Day Off
Captain: $1,000 per day
Relief Captain: $ 750 per day
First Officer: $ 550 per day
Your Phone Allowance
Captain: $100 per month
Relief Captain: $ 50 per month
First Officer: $ 50 per month
Your Special job pay
Base Chief Captain: $1,000 per month
Line Training Captains: $20 per hour
Simulator Instructors: $40 per hour (CA, RCA, FO)
Check Captains: $40 per hour
Your Time Off
You will get a minimum of 10 days off in a month
You will have 28 days of paid annual leave
Your Sick leave
30 paid sick leave days per year
Your Layover Station Transportation & Accommodation
Provided by Norwegian
Your Travel Benefits
ID travel benefits are provided to you and your qualifying family members on Norwegian services according to current policies
Service Tickets are provided to pilots for duty travel in conjunction with work
Your Insurance
Both Medical and Personal Accident and Illness insurance is provided by OSM Aviation
Loss of License insurance covers two years basic pay
Your Training
For near-type-rated (B737E/NG, B744, B748, B757/767) your type-rating course will be 17 days.
For those with a type-rating on B777, when qualified, the license will be endorsed with B777/B787 as they are considered same type
Training will be performed at training centres in either London Gatwick or Miami
To qualify for a short-courses you must be fully current
The Training Cost Bond
Unless you are B787 or B777 rated, before commencing training you must sign a training cost bond which will be reduced by 1/3 annually
- For pilots current on B737E/NG, B744, B748, or B757/767, the is USD 30,000
- For all other ratings the bond is USD 40,000
Your Contract
Your contract will be a 3-year renewable OSM Aviation contract, within 2 years you must however, successfully pass the test for the EASA ATPL if not yet in possession of such.
You must be able to pass the EASA Class 1 medical, and you must take an ICAO English test (EPL) if you have never passed this previously, even if you have automatically been awarded an EPL level by your current authority.
The Way to Apply
- Go to http: WWW.IMNOTHELPINGTHEMFINDPILOTSSOIREMOVEDTHEWEBSITE .COM
- Click on APPLY.
You will be asked to upload your CV, license, passport and photo.
Norwegian can arrange tickets on the Norwegian network to attend the screening process
Norwegian can book hotel at their rates where needed, but the you must settle the bill with the hotel upon arrival.
02-15-2017, 07:15 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,083
Originally Posted by buscappy
ohhhh young grasshoppers....
History repeats . Threats come and go.
History repeats . Threats come and go.
NAI is a threat that bears watching, but I wouldn't go into the fetal position, yet. OTOH, the ME3 have very deep pockets and can accept losses for a long time. That looks like the closest alligator to the canoe.
02-15-2017, 07:42 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,160
Originally Posted by XHooker
It's not often I agree with you, but this is true. Their pilot costs look like they're less than half of ours, but that's a small fraction of the overall cost structure. Assuming the rest of their costs are the same (labor is assuredly less overall, but not by to the same degree as cockpit costs), they've still got a break even RASM of 90-95% of ours. While they'll get a good chunk of the backpacks and sneakers crowd, I suspect it'll be difficult to peel off the valuable corporate accounts and high end travelers for 5-10% lower fares.
NAI is a threat that bears watching, but I wouldn't go into the fetal position, yet. OTOH, the ME3 have very deep pockets and can accept losses for a long time. That looks like the closest alligator to the canoe.
NAI is a threat that bears watching, but I wouldn't go into the fetal position, yet. OTOH, the ME3 have very deep pockets and can accept losses for a long time. That looks like the closest alligator to the canoe.
186 on a 737-800
291 on a 787-800
344 on a 787-900
02-15-2017, 08:36 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,083
Originally Posted by Andy
You also need to look at their denser seating, lowering the CASM.
186 on a 737-800
291 on a 787-800
344 on a 787-900
186 on a 737-800
291 on a 787-800
344 on a 787-900
02-15-2017, 10:36 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 316
NAI will continue to add flights to the US and eventually enter into a codeshare with an airline such as Spirit or another ULCC- just like they did with Ryanair in Europe. The legacies will lose a portion of that international travel but they will adjust. The two business models will co-exist with the ULCC model being under 10% of the total seat-miles. Legacy airlines will still be the highest paid/best product. None of the legacies will go out of business. None will furlough (thanks to the retirements), but upgrades will be a bit longer. Southwest will turn out to be the best US career (like it always has been) if you are to look back to now from 20 years in the future.
That's my best guess. Time will tell.
That's my best guess. Time will tell.
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