Dropping ATP requirements passes comittee
09-17-2017, 04:46 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
A better way to phrase it is not manual, but "edge of the envelope."
Whether in a 1900 or other 121 op, airline flying is almost exclusively middle of the envelope. Training events are designed to return to the "security" of the center of the envelope.
The (flawed) counter-argument for ab initio or multiplace license crews is that the military gets away with less than 300 hours to put a guy in a fighter or heavy.
The difference? They spent between 6 months and a year and a half deliberately working to the edge of the envelope, and staying there. (And...they were in a program that if they were marginal, they were eliminated).
Guys who work the civilian rout will do a lot of that edge-of-envelope flying as a CFI, banner tow, jumpers, flying in lousy weather with underpowered airplanes and no radar...
Part 121 is not a place to hone your skills. Very little changes, skill-wise, once you get in the comfy chair of aviation.
Whether in a 1900 or other 121 op, airline flying is almost exclusively middle of the envelope. Training events are designed to return to the "security" of the center of the envelope.
The (flawed) counter-argument for ab initio or multiplace license crews is that the military gets away with less than 300 hours to put a guy in a fighter or heavy.
The difference? They spent between 6 months and a year and a half deliberately working to the edge of the envelope, and staying there. (And...they were in a program that if they were marginal, they were eliminated).
Guys who work the civilian rout will do a lot of that edge-of-envelope flying as a CFI, banner tow, jumpers, flying in lousy weather with underpowered airplanes and no radar...
Part 121 is not a place to hone your skills. Very little changes, skill-wise, once you get in the comfy chair of aviation.
09-17-2017, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
What's the **%*%^£ are you talking about? Military does not let you "think"'outside the box. Exactly why military crashes ALL the time.
Military crashing all the time? Are you kidding me? Look at the mission that they do compared to civilian. Your statements are getting more and more ludicrous.
09-17-2017, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
What's the **%*%^£ are you talking about? Military does not let you "think"'outside the box. Exactly why military crashes ALL the time.
09-17-2017, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
What's the **%*%^£ are you talking about? Military does not let you "think"'outside the box. Exactly why military crashes ALL the time.
09-17-2017, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WSPLT
Or it could be the fact that they're doing things like landing jets on ships at night, and flying at 400+ knots through canyons all while sitting on a seat packed with explosives. Oh, and sometimes people shoot at them.
09-17-2017, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJoperator
What's the **%*%^£ are you talking about? Military does not let you "think"'outside the box. Exactly why military crashes ALL the time.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that you either know very little about military aviation, or you wish you did. Or both.
09-17-2017, 07:32 PM
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Thank you for the link. I will be sure to share with my pilot friends.
Speaking of civilian experience, I spent the last year flying a 206 all over the country for aerial survey. The experience and confidence gained is ABSOLUTEY invauable, and a will be a huge help as my career progresses into larger, faster equipment. Recently flew with a guy with a fresh commercial, looking at the way he flew and his aeronautical decision making was an eye opener. Not by any fault of his own, just not enough time in the skies and exposure to different scenarios you can't simulate during training.
And they want to put those level of pilots in jets? Carrying passengers? Nope
Speaking of civilian experience, I spent the last year flying a 206 all over the country for aerial survey. The experience and confidence gained is ABSOLUTEY invauable, and a will be a huge help as my career progresses into larger, faster equipment. Recently flew with a guy with a fresh commercial, looking at the way he flew and his aeronautical decision making was an eye opener. Not by any fault of his own, just not enough time in the skies and exposure to different scenarios you can't simulate during training.
And they want to put those level of pilots in jets? Carrying passengers? Nope
09-17-2017, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
National Air Disaster Foundation, a safety advocacy group, said in a dissenting opinion to the committee's report. "There is only a pilot shortage of pilots able to work for $25,000 a year."
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