Dropping ATP requirements passes comittee
09-17-2017, 11:43 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
I'll play along, but unless you're sending them large amounts of cash or gifts, it is a waste of time. Little emails from ordinary citizens are worthless to them.
09-17-2017, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Why isn't this stickied? The impending flood of 250 hour wonders is going to crash salaries industry wide.
https://www.manufacturing.net/news/2...n-safety-rules
Maintaining the Current Minimum First Officer Qualifications
https://www.manufacturing.net/news/2...n-safety-rules
Maintaining the Current Minimum First Officer Qualifications
09-17-2017, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
"Airline pilot unions and safety advocates say the problem is regional airlines don't pay high enough entry-level salaries to attract as many pilots as they need."
I fly for a Regional. I'm in a crash pad with a guy from Delta who used to be at the same Regional.
We do the same job. Base out of the same airport. He has a better schedule. He has far better pay and benefits.
I knew what I was getting into, so I'm not blaming anyone. I can quit when I want (soon, I think).
Now, granted, I'm new to this, but it seems to me the whole system is flawed. You hear stories about the guys at the top who work three days a month and make $300k. Why, again? That's just a bad system. What are people like that contributing to the company? And don't say they, "paid their dues."
This whole thing should be leveled out more, the regional model is garbage (again..same job, and I can bumped off a flight to work by a retiree and their kids on the Wholly Owned parent).
It's just weird from the top down.
I fly for a Regional. I'm in a crash pad with a guy from Delta who used to be at the same Regional.
We do the same job. Base out of the same airport. He has a better schedule. He has far better pay and benefits.
I knew what I was getting into, so I'm not blaming anyone. I can quit when I want (soon, I think).
Now, granted, I'm new to this, but it seems to me the whole system is flawed. You hear stories about the guys at the top who work three days a month and make $300k. Why, again? That's just a bad system. What are people like that contributing to the company? And don't say they, "paid their dues."
This whole thing should be leveled out more, the regional model is garbage (again..same job, and I can bumped off a flight to work by a retiree and their kids on the Wholly Owned parent).
It's just weird from the top down.
09-17-2017, 02:53 PM
#17
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We have a fair number of folks that wash out of the sim at my shop that exceed the 1500 hour rule, and they want to remove it?
If this gets pulled, there will come a time when people will be putting their family's lives in the hands of crews that have barely 2000 hours combined between them. In the days where it took several years to upgrade, this probably wouldn't have happened and would have been less of an issue, but those days are gone. Most shops are upgrading at 1000 hours SIC these days I think.
The public generally has no idea they are even flying on a regional airline. The plane says Delta, United, American, Alaska, whatever on the side. They just don't pay attention, and have NO IDEA of the difference in training.
I sent the letters, took less than a minute. I hope you do too!
And lets be real, the 1500 hour rule really doesn't raise the cost of flight training at all. If you're paying out of your own pocket beyond 300ish hours, you're doing it wrong!
If this gets pulled, there will come a time when people will be putting their family's lives in the hands of crews that have barely 2000 hours combined between them. In the days where it took several years to upgrade, this probably wouldn't have happened and would have been less of an issue, but those days are gone. Most shops are upgrading at 1000 hours SIC these days I think.
The public generally has no idea they are even flying on a regional airline. The plane says Delta, United, American, Alaska, whatever on the side. They just don't pay attention, and have NO IDEA of the difference in training.
I sent the letters, took less than a minute. I hope you do too!
And lets be real, the 1500 hour rule really doesn't raise the cost of flight training at all. If you're paying out of your own pocket beyond 300ish hours, you're doing it wrong!
09-17-2017, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
"Airline pilot unions and safety advocates say the problem is regional airlines don't pay high enough entry-level salaries to attract as many pilots as they need."
I fly for a Regional. I'm in a crash pad with a guy from Delta who used to be at the same Regional.
We do the same job. Base out of the same airport. He has a better schedule. He has far better pay and benefits.
I knew what I was getting into, so I'm not blaming anyone. I can quit when I want (soon, I think).
Now, granted, I'm new to this, but it seems to me the whole system is flawed. You hear stories about the guys at the top who work three days a month and make $300k. Why, again? That's just a bad system. What are people like that contributing to the company? And don't say they, "paid their dues."
This whole thing should be leveled out more, the regional model is garbage (again..same job, and I can bumped off a flight to work by a retiree and their kids on the Wholly Owned parent).
It's just weird from the top down.
I fly for a Regional. I'm in a crash pad with a guy from Delta who used to be at the same Regional.
We do the same job. Base out of the same airport. He has a better schedule. He has far better pay and benefits.
I knew what I was getting into, so I'm not blaming anyone. I can quit when I want (soon, I think).
Now, granted, I'm new to this, but it seems to me the whole system is flawed. You hear stories about the guys at the top who work three days a month and make $300k. Why, again? That's just a bad system. What are people like that contributing to the company? And don't say they, "paid their dues."
This whole thing should be leveled out more, the regional model is garbage (again..same job, and I can bumped off a flight to work by a retiree and their kids on the Wholly Owned parent).
It's just weird from the top down.
You sure sound like a little socialist snowflake who wants income redistribution. The dudes at the Legacies and especially those at the top, EARNED every dang thing they receive in pay and benefits.
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