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busdriver12 01-19-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by VSTOLG4 (Post 2506868)
757 FO year 6 commuter
180 block
100 overnights (about 9 per month)
$170k normal line
$30k overtime/draft (a few LCA buy off and flew draft)
$17k B fund
$11k A fund (dividing $130k payout by 12)
$7k per diem
$500 401k match

$235.5k

I fly almost 100% nights and with a large cargo can full of nasty HAZMAT on nearly every flight. Oh not to mention the radioactive, biohazard, and explosives in the back. Im not sure my compensation is all that great in the grand scheme of things. Our 757 pay rate sucks.

Concur with the 757 pay rate sucking. However, why not bid the bus? You could be pretty senior, holding day trips with your seniority. Even the MD-11 or 767 could be pretty good for you. You could probably bid junior widebody captain next bid and hold it if you wanted. Get off the 757!

Spicy McHaggis 01-19-2018 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by blizzue (Post 2506860)
Yea. That. I want that.


If you're referring to my post, the 11 years will go by in the blink of an eye. Hopefully the good times last for the duration of your ride here at UAL. As always, it's up and down in the biz.

I started CAL at $29/hr with no insurance for the first six months. Glad to finally see we are paying our new hires with a relatively decent wage and benefits today.

VSTOLG4 01-19-2018 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2506891)
Concur with the 757 pay rate sucking. However, why not bid the bus? You could be pretty senior, holding day trips with your seniority. Even the MD-11 or 767 could be pretty good for you. You could probably bid junior widebody captain next bid and hold it if you wanted. Get off the 757!

Good advice and spot on. Company has really pinned about 100 to 150 FO's on the 757 with no real bid in 2 years and the 16-01 bid with its 3 year training length and nearly 1/2 dozen date shifts for many on the list. 16-01 junior captains still haven't trained and was originally OCT-18...thats 2.5 years on the list. Expect a mass exodus from the 75 this next bid and the company knows it coming...I will be one of them. 2nd year WB FO's make $15k more per hour than a 6 year NB.

UNSUBSCRIBE 01-20-2018 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by BZC17 (Post 2501603)
Good luck beans! Seemed like you where never happy here at SWA. There are a lot of reasons people don’t apply to Fed Ex/UPS. Long haul cargo is not for everyone. Some have already done it for a decade plus in other capacities and seen the toll it takes on the body.
Things are rosy right now everywhere. It wasn’t too long ago ups was hiring straight to the left seat management pilots while guys where still furloughed. The risks are there flying cargo. I don’t think amazon is an immediate threat but over a career I would definitely worry about Jeff Bezos.
Again, good luck. We don’t make the most at Swa and we are trying to change that, but try not to burn any bridges on the way out. This profession is fraught with broken promises and broke retired pilots.

Beans is just a miserable person, he’ll be just as angry at fedEx

blizzue 01-20-2018 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 2506893)
If you're referring to my post, the 11 years will go by in the blink of an eye. Hopefully the good times last for the duration of your ride here at UAL. As always, it's up and down in the biz.

I started CAL at $29/hr with no insurance for the first six months. Glad to finally see we are paying our new hires with a relatively decent wage and benefits today.

Hopefully I’ll at least be senior in the next down turn.

beancounter 01-25-2018 12:29 AM

C'mon people post some real numbers. My favorite is the 6 yr Jet Blue 190 Captain making $292k yr. 40% of these posts are complete BS.

flyguy81 01-25-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by beancounter (Post 2510846)
C'mon people post some real numbers. My favorite is the 6 yr Jet Blue 190 Captain making $292k yr. 40% of these posts are complete BS.

Mine were real.....no reason to lie about it

Carlsbad 01-25-2018 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by beancounter (Post 2510846)
C'mon people post some real numbers. My favorite is the 6 yr Jet Blue 190 Captain making $292k yr. 40% of these posts are complete BS.


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 2511035)
Mine were real.....no reason to lie about it

My question would be, how? Over here at AA, 80-84 hrs a month credit, 15-18 days off a month equals about $280k a year plus 16% retirement plan. That's at an hourly rate though of $272 hr. How are these guys/gals making $300k+ a yr off only $220 something an hour. I know our contract and union sucks compared to Delta, but is it really that bad?

terminal 01-25-2018 08:48 AM

*Most* guys live in domicile and make themselves available for premium trips-usually drop as much of their schedule as possible and hang by the phone waiting for premium. Or trip trade into more valuable trips etc. lot of ways to skin the cat.
But don’t forget at SWA and FEDEX they have paid vacation drop so that’s a huge part of it as well.

Sluggo_63 01-25-2018 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE (Post 2507107)
Beans is just a miserable person, he’ll be just as angry at fedEx

I thought the SWA interview process was meant to weed out the malcontents and only hire those who have the Luv mindset. Was Beans miserable when you hired him or did SWA make him that way? Chicken or egg?


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