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Old 01-02-2018 | 06:23 AM
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SWA FO 2nd yr
173 days worked (15-16 day off avg)
920 block
Live in base so a OT trip or 2 a month
$160k gross ($7,200 of that is per diem)
~1500 tfp credit
$11,500 profit sharing
$21k B fund
Total comp $192,500
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
JetBlue
320 FO
Commuter
Maxed out at 12 year pay scale
$318,470 (Includes $22,989 in PS)
Does not include 401K company contributions (convoluted due to Mil Leave catch up contributions from earlier years)
I do sell back PTO which is included in final numbers
18+ days off a month on average
795 Block
I question if your 18 days off a month on your initial award or if it’s how much you actually take off and are at the house, and how much RSA/VDA that includes. The math doesn’t work out for me. I know a lot of your trips get bought for IOE, but it isn’t very easy to double dip over that timeframe here...and then you are picking up average/not that great trips from opentime after your initial good schedule gets bought.

At $149/hour working 12 days a month, or 144 days a year, how do you credit enough to make over $300k? Even if you got every 10x 8 hour day trip bought a month and came in on other days picking up average 5hr/day trips, that’s impossible. 80x12=960 theoretical max hours bought, or $143k...and that’s assuming every one of your trips gets bought. You’re saying you then pick up $160k worth of trips only working 12 days a month? That’s another 1,073 hours of credit at your pay rate, from open time. If you’re selling back 10 hrs a month of PTO (btw that’s not compensation, it's your vacation and sick time), then you still need 917 hours of credit to hit your $300k, or 70-75 hours a month, from the opentime scraps. Here’s my math based on what little I know about your schedule/pay, making the wild assumption that every single awarded trip is a bought 8hr day trip.

$300,000/$149=~2,000 hours of credit per year.
80hrs x 12 months = 960 hours of max bought credit. Call it 1,000.
PTOSB/vac at 10/month = 180 hrs
820/12=~70 hours a month you then credit from opentime. At 5 hrs a day that’s working 14 days, at 6 a day that’s 11 days. It is rarely feasible to count on 6+ hour average days from opentime. And it’s hardly believable that every single one of your trips gets bought. So where is the extra credit coming from?

To non-JB pilots, pay no attention to this data point. This is an outlier among outliers, and I’m no viper pilot, but I can’t make the math work. Bunk makes $149/hour with substandard work rules. I don’t know any other JetBlue pilot who credits anywhere near the amount required to make $320k on $149/hr, even senior FOs who bid with check airmen, and certainly no commuters who get 18 days at the house. Only RSA/VDA hoors who live in base and are on crew services speeddial can predictably and consistently get premium/JRA credit to credit anywhere near that.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:22 AM
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1) FedEx
2) FO
3) 777
4) Years of Service with company - 12 years
5) How many days you worked - 143 days
6) How many overnights you had - commuter, so pretty much the same, 143
7) How many hours you blocked - 462
8) How many hours did you credit - 1288.5
9) Expected gross income - $272,270
10) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) - B-Fund(401K) - $26,101
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
JetBlue
320 FO
Commuter
Maxed out at 12 year pay scale
$318,470 (Includes $22,989 in PS)
Does not include 401K company contributions (convoluted due to Mil Leave catch up contributions from earlier years)
I do sell back PTO which is included in final numbers
18+ days off a month on average
795 Block
There's something he's not telling us. Probably gets a lot of check airmen trips bought and double dips. Max FO here is only 149 per hour.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
I question if your 18 days off a month on your initial award or if it’s how much you actually take off and are at the house, and how much RSA/VDA that includes. The math doesn’t work out for me. I know a lot of your trips get bought for IOE, but it isn’t very easy to double dip over that timeframe here...and then you are picking up average/not that great trips from opentime after your initial good schedule gets bought.

At $149/hour working 12 days a month, or 144 days a year, how do you credit enough to make over $300k? Even if you got every 10x 8 hour day trip bought a month and came in on other days picking up average 5hr/day trips, that’s impossible. 80x12=960 theoretical max hours bought, or $143k...and that’s assuming every one of your trips gets bought. You’re saying you then pick up $160k worth of trips only working 12 days a month? That’s another 1,073 hours of credit at your pay rate, from open time. If you’re selling back 10 hrs a month of PTO (btw that’s not compensation, it's your vacation and sick time), then you still need 917 hours of credit to hit your $300k, or 70-75 hours a month, from the opentime scraps. Here’s my math based on what little I know about your schedule/pay, making the wild assumption that every single awarded trip is a bought 8hr day trip.

$300,000/$149=~2,000 hours of credit per year.
80hrs x 12 months = 960 hours of max bought credit. Call it 1,000.
PTOSB/vac at 10/month = 180 hrs
820/12=~70 hours a month you then credit from opentime. At 5 hrs a day that’s working 14 days, at 6 a day that’s 11 days. It is rarely feasible to count on 6+ hour average days from opentime. And it’s hardly believable that every single one of your trips gets bought. So where is the extra credit coming from?

To non-JB pilots, pay no attention to this data point. This is an outlier among outliers, and I’m no viper pilot, but I can’t make the math work. Bunk makes $149/hour with substandard work rules. I don’t know any other JetBlue pilot who credits anywhere near the amount required to make $320k on $149/hr, even senior FOs who bid with check airmen, and certainly no commuters who get 18 days at the house. Only RSA/VDA hoors who live in base and are on crew services speeddial can predictably and consistently get premium/JRA credit to credit anywhere near that.
No kidding! There is so much he's not telling everyone.

1. Check Airmen trip drops.

2. Picking up Reserve days for premium pay and not counting them as work days.

3. Selling back all his Vacation and Sick time!

And more I'm sure.

Totally absurd.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:56 AM
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Yeah, this thread isn't about trying to impress chicks at a bar. IMO this thread is about trying to raise the bar industrywide, and providing data points for those out there fighting for a better contract (which should be all of us!). If you're an outlier in a group, you're doing everyone a disservice if you post your income without some sort of context as to why it's as high as it is.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HwkrPlt
what does floan mean?
It means hopefully he does well on the other parts of the interview exam. OFG
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Old 01-02-2018 | 08:07 AM
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The use of heel lifts and fish rulers by some are inevitable any time this thread gets started.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD
Yeah, this thread isn't about trying to impress chicks at a bar. IMO this thread is about trying to raise the bar industrywide, and providing data points for those out there fighting for a better contract (which should be all of us!). If you're an outlier in a group, you're doing everyone a disservice if you post your income without some sort of context as to why it's as high as it is.
Or in some cases trying to educate people on the low pay and to stay away.
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Old 01-02-2018 | 08:13 AM
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This thread would certainly be more beneficial if it didn't include ridiculous statistical outliers.

Thanks to everyone who has posted. It's been eye opening for sure.
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