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ShyGuy 03-01-2018 06:30 PM


(btw recent ORD news is concerning for AA)
What happened/is happening?

Baradium 03-01-2018 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2540826)
What happened/is happening?

Probably referencing the spat with AA claiming the city is favoring UAL in the reconstruction plan.

marcal 03-02-2018 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2540583)
DAL pros:
Better compensation
Better work rules
No east vs. west drama
Significantly less debt
Less regional flying

AA pros:
Less hiring since 2014 and more retirements in the near future
More international flying
Leather jacket and no hat or double breasted coat

Post back after you retire and let us know which was the right choice

Leather jacket as a pro? Easily the dumbest most unprofessional item I've ever seen on a pilot. We're essentially wearing suits. When's the last time you saw any professional in any business rock up in a suit and a leather jacket. Rant over.

sherpster 03-02-2018 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2540966)
Leather jacket as a pro? Easily the dumbest most unprofessional item I've ever seen on a pilot. We're essentially wearing suits. When's the last time you saw any professional in any business rock up in a suit and a leather jacket. Rant over.

Not sure your argument holds water. If we are basing our uniform on what other professionals wear then we wouldnt be running around in short sleeve shirts and ties. We also wouldnt be wearing a hat indoors.

Anyways, American all the way. 52% of the seniority list gone in the next 9 years. That is a fact.

flyallnite 03-02-2018 05:35 AM

It may end up not being a problem, but AA has quite a lot of debt on it's books vs DL. I'd take a look at both companies annual reports for a look at corporate health.

Mover 03-02-2018 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2540966)
Leather jacket as a pro? Easily the dumbest most unprofessional item I've ever seen on a pilot. We're essentially wearing suits. When's the last time you saw any professional in any business rock up in a suit and a leather jacket. Rant over.

Leather jacket is gone at AA.

As to the OP, go to DAL. Better contract, better union, better pilot group, better work rules, and higher pay.

APA is a weak union with too many terrorist factions holding QOL hostage for their special interest items. It won't get better until the top half of the list retires. AA has no issues taking advantage of this group.

In the long run, DAL is stronger financially than AA. You may see more retirements at AA, but that may not matter in the long run.

viper548 03-02-2018 10:00 AM

Maybe a delta guy can confirm this, it sounds like premium trips are plentiful. American goes to great lengths to avoid premium. Delta seems like a better job right now. AA has the seniority advantage but I think deltas better contract makes up for it. Plus delta has faster upgrade and the commute from stl is probably easier at delta.
It is a completely different job living in base. If you can move to any of the bases go to the corresponding airline and don’t look back.

trustbutverify 03-02-2018 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2541260)
Maybe a delta guy can confirm this, it sounds like premium trips are plentiful. American goes to great lengths to avoid premium. Delta seems like a better job right now. AA has the seniority advantage but I think deltas better contract makes up for it. Plus delta has faster upgrade and the commute from stl is probably easier at delta.
It is a completely different job living in base. If you can move to any of the bases go to the corresponding airline and don’t look back.

False - the premium trip availability is not what some would have you believe. With the new contract, the company can have an immediate plus up on their reserve availability to cover trips during IROPS with recovery flying obligations should a line holder's trip get cnx'd or modified due to those IROPS.

Ar Pilot 03-02-2018 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2540719)
Hourly rates are the same. Profit sharing at DL is the only thing better. That should be addressed in the next contract in a year or two so the compensation will pretty much be equal.

What work rules are better? AA will have average calendar day soon. That was the big issue and its fixed.

More regional flying at aa could be seen as a good thing if the pilot shortage causes them to bring regional flying in house. AA would need a lot more bodies. Delta has brought a lot in house already so the hiring for that won’t help a new guy bc they’re all senior to them.

Minimum days off, premium flying and reserve work rules are more favorable at Delta. (from talking with friends at AA)

Touting more regional flying as a plus? :confused:

mainlineAF 03-02-2018 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 2541297)
Minimum days off, premium flying and reserve work rules are more favorable at Delta. (from talking with friends at AA)



Touting more regional flying as a plus? :confused:



Minimum days off for reserves is 12/13 at AA. Think that’s the same at DL. For lineholders it’s not a factor bc you get 5:15 a day once ACD kicks in.

Premium flying is available at AA. Apparently a lot less premium at dL now re the poster above. Edge to DL.

Did you not read the sentence after I wrote more regional flying could be a plus at AA? A lot of it has come back in house at dl already so the hiring for that has already happened. If AA is forced to do the same they’d have to hire more than they’re planning. That’s a plus for the guys hired before that happens.


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